Il NHS potrebbe smettere di funzionare secondo le nuove regole del visto di Labour, dicono gli infermieri
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/06/nhs-social-care-labour-new-visa-rules-royal-college-of-nursing
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Il NHS potrebbe smettere di funzionare secondo le nuove regole del visto di Labour, dicono gli infermieri
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/06/nhs-social-care-labour-new-visa-rules-royal-college-of-nursing
di throwawayjustbc826
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Just like if we don’t import 250k careworkers every year, the industry would collapse
There are thousands of British trained nurses that can’t get jobs, so they’ll probably ‘fill the gap’ won’t they?
Just an idea but perhaps the NHS could take the roughly 4,000 UK nursing graduates who failed to get posts or how about the roughly 1,000 doctors that failed to get a NHS post. We have lots of UK graduates that could do with a job perhaps the RCN should be shouting about that.
Hold on a mo. As I recall, we recently had news reports telling us the RCN was complaining there [aren’t enough jobs for nurses](https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/events/no-jobs-for-nurses-navigating-the-crisis-for-early-career-nurses-em). There aren’t enough jobs to let us train people up but we need to keep importing people to do the jobs we do have?
While I respect the union has to represent a variety of members with differing priorities, I don’t think I agree with the claims it is making.
Which nurses? The ones here on visas?
I’m appreciative of those who work in our healthcare system but such thing should only ever be a stop gap.
Being a nurse is not an especially poor paying job (though not always commensurate) we should be getting British people into these jobs 20 years ago.
Same goes for doctors
The headline is typical misleading drivel from the Guardian. It isn’t nurses saying this, it’s an out of touch union that’s increasingly at odds with its own members. We have thousands of British trained nurses graduating this year who’ve been told there’s no jobs for them and to go find work in a supermarket instead. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with tightening restrictions on visas until we’ve ensured a sufficient supply of jobs for our own.
After a decade of extreme levels of immigration we still have the same nursing, doctor & essential worker shortages, only now there’s absolutely no shortage of Uber drivers, food delivery drivers and car washes (a service which has switched from being largely automated to manual because of how cheap unskilled labour is).
The solution is the same as it’s always been, to slowly train young people here, but instead for the past 30 years, every government in power has sought quick fixes from abroad. It never works because skilled foreign workers will always have their pick of countries to emigrate to, and then there’s the moral implications of pinching skills needed in their home countries.
Probably shouldn’t of taken a billion foreign workers then eh
Oh no what a shame they’ll have to employ people who grew up here! Oh no whatever shall we do /s
A relative of mine was in charge of training for the NHS in a series of Midland Trusts a couple of decades ago, basically when the agencies first started to take jobs, he was perplexed by the fact that he was making sure there were enough graduates to fill posts.
But those posts were filled by agency workers.
On his last meeting before retirement he asked why this was of the rest of the executive, they basically told him that some of the execs get kick backs from the agencies and some of those execs were shareholders in these agencies and profited from it even more.
Anyway, he had a massive stroke at his retirement party because of how mad he got at them during his leaving do, basically giving them what for and telling them they were parasites that were ruining the country.
Died a few months later.
All in the name of profit.
Get the 100,000 trainee nurses out of University and learn the job on the wards like they used to do. Job done. The problem arose when the Blair government stopped all new trainee nurses entering the NHS for 3 years abd put them in University. Stupid move as they now have debts.
We know a nurse who is losing her mind trying to keep everyone on her ward safe. She’s the only nurse who’s first language is English and the lack of language skills from the others is leading to dangerous situations for patients. Not to mention that many of them seem to lack basic skills or any bedside manner.
There’s no such thing as a labour shortage, only wages that haven’t yet adequately adjusted upwards.
When demand exceeds supply of a good, the price of the good rises until the supply increases to meet it, thus forming an equilibrium. Labour works the same way.
In the NHS, though, two opposing distortions prevent this. The government caps pay for nurses and other staff, keeping wages artificially low. At the same time, doctors’ groups like the BMA trade union have long restricted the number of training places to artificially constrain supply and thus protect existing pay levels.
The only way to sustain such a system is to flood the labour pool with people willing to work at those suppressed wages, i.e. *human quantitative easing,* i.e. mass immigration.
tl;dr: There’s no such thing as a labour shortage, only a refusal to pay the true market rate for labour, and the NHS solves that refusal with visas rather than either pay rises or removing artificial constraints on supply.
If it’s really true that there aren’t enough UK based staff to fill the roles, then the training pipeline needs to be expanded. I’m not sure that’s actually true any more though, is it?
If we continue to recruit by endlessly increasing immigration then we’ll never have the spaces available for UK graduates. This is exactly the same discussion as in 2010 and 2016 and the “just one more year of immigration while we sort out the training” is really just a pretext for not doing anything about mass immigration at all.
If we actually do need to top up our nursing numbers with overseas workers, then something is intrinsically wrong with that anyway.
How they funding digital IDs but they can’t pay NHS staff enough?
And yet in the news today many graduate health professionals cannot get jobs in the NHS as there are no positions. 🙉