Lawd, I gotta say, it’s probs a tough call for Warsaw.
Nano_needle on
Also the Ukrainian refugees don’t count in that relocation plan lmao.
Because when you aren’t a former colonial power which turned their colonies into shit and now are reaping consequences of that- then I guess fuck you you have to suffer consequences too lmao.
European nations which never colonized Africa and were often subject of colonization from other European states are now supposed to bear consequences of others oppression- How is that fair?
Giggle-Sprinkles on
Man, idk why ppl r so surprised, it’s about cultural fit too, y’know?
PowerPanda555 on
Why am I reading so much about polands president?
I thought the PM is the guy with power or is it like in France where the president has powers for foreign politics or is this just because hes new in office?
RubCharacter7272 on
Good, Poland has done enough for the Ukrainian refugee crisis and defending us from Russia
This migration policy is fuelling the right and cultural divisions enough
Stop taking in illegal migration it’s foolish and it’ll only get worse with climate collapse
FirstCircleLimbo on
The idea of destributing migrants across the continent makes no sense. The Migrants they talk about typically aren’t headed for Poland in the first place. If they are moved to Poland they will simply leave and go where they want to go.
funggitivitti on
No one wants to live in Poland. It’s a poor man’s Russia. And Russia sucks ass.
Hot_Preparation4777 on
Stop allowing illegal immigration Europe! Wake UP! Don’t be stupíd.
DonDerBaer on
It’s basically the top-destinations that have to lower standards and social benefits for illegal migrants to end the problem with illegal migration
elektero on
kick the leeches out, we must go back to the initial core.
SereneSerenity117 on
Remigration now, or the EU will not survive. Mass non European migration has functioned as a weapon used by USA/Russia to destabilize and destroy EU, while the left and right are all to happy to play their part for the alter of rigging the labour market and multicultural fantasies.
And so we either solve this problem now, or let American and Russian backed far right solve it a few decades from now. While we helplessly watch them brutalize Europeans, break institutions, and destroy the Union. Two thousand years of development gone in a few years. With the death of the EU will come a century or more of living under Russian and American Oligarchic Empires, if Europe is lucky.
Europe’s very own century of humiliation will be the best we could hope for in such a calamity, as it will likely be far worse than any of us could imagine. But time hasn’t run out yet, we can still save mankind’s last best hope.
UrDadMyDaddy on
This is still up for discussion? We still in 2015/2016 trying to make this plan no one actually wants work?
Talkycoder on
How about a plan to relocate the mass amount of Polish disapora then, considering it is one of, if not, the largest in Europe?
Newsflash Poland, but African/Asian illegal migrants aren’t heading to Poland of all places, so don’t have the gual to complain.
kahaveli on
That “solidarity framework” is only one part of the new migration and asylym pact though, that Nawrocki is talking about.
The pact also includes toughening external borders and frontex, creating an EU wide “Eurodac” database that identifies and keeps track of all asylym seekers and migrants, increasing cooperation with source/north african countries’ own border guards, and a creation of “fast-track” procedures intented to make asylum desicion and deportation significantly faster, for example.
That solidarity framework is only one part of it, and yes, maybe the most controversial in some countries. There were procedures negotiated that would allow paying financial sums instead of taking refugees through the framework though.
But it’s false image that the pact would make migration easier that some seem to have – it would actually toughen it. VdL’s Commission has even talked about external asylym processing centres outside EU, but that’s not part of this plan.
I personally identify 3 issues with migration:
1)UN 1951 refugee convention, that forms the basic of legislation about refugees, doesn’t really take into account the large wealth differences between countries and how this pushes migration. So large share of migrants coming into the system are ultimately refused refugee status. This pact was written in 1951, after WW2, where lots of people died because they were turned away at border. Refugee convention requires the migrants and their asylym request to be legally processed.
2)Processing of asylym seekers takes too long.
3)Deportation of migrants whose asylym request is denied, is often very hard. Some countries don’t want to take them back, and this is one reason that makes it hard.
EU’s new migration pact would have some solutions to all these three issues. Except first one, except in some special circumstances. Make asylym process and possible deportation faster. “Solidarity framework” part of it is probably because some (especially southern european) countries feel that it’s unfair that they have to face so much of the burden, that’s a fair point in itself.
So when many people in this comment section talk about “illegal migration”, it’s kind of contradictory, because the laws we ourself wrote, creates the requirement to process asylym requests.
And it’s quite interesting that most effective way so far has been increasing cooperation with north african countries (and also Turkey). EU has deals with all of them, and in those deals, EU provides funding, and those states forcefully turn back migrants and arrest human smugglers in north africa. This has also caused some critisism, as those methods are sometimes rough.
So the current situation is that EU pays northern african countries, to use all methods, even lots of force, to turn away migrants, but if the migrants get into europe, it gets into lengthy asylym process, and can’t be turned away at border. Honestly, it doesn’t make sense. It is legal, but it doesn’t make sense. It’s not really fair either, as people who get inside into asylym process aren’t probably those most in need; large amount are young men who’s family has paid money to human smugglers.
Only conclusion I can get is that 1951 refugee convention is outdated.
KralizecProphet on
Von Der Pfizer has so much money, she can relocate the migrants on her own.
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Lawd, I gotta say, it’s probs a tough call for Warsaw.
Also the Ukrainian refugees don’t count in that relocation plan lmao.
Because when you aren’t a former colonial power which turned their colonies into shit and now are reaping consequences of that- then I guess fuck you you have to suffer consequences too lmao.
European nations which never colonized Africa and were often subject of colonization from other European states are now supposed to bear consequences of others oppression- How is that fair?
Man, idk why ppl r so surprised, it’s about cultural fit too, y’know?
Why am I reading so much about polands president?
I thought the PM is the guy with power or is it like in France where the president has powers for foreign politics or is this just because hes new in office?
Good, Poland has done enough for the Ukrainian refugee crisis and defending us from Russia
This migration policy is fuelling the right and cultural divisions enough
Stop taking in illegal migration it’s foolish and it’ll only get worse with climate collapse
The idea of destributing migrants across the continent makes no sense. The Migrants they talk about typically aren’t headed for Poland in the first place. If they are moved to Poland they will simply leave and go where they want to go.
No one wants to live in Poland. It’s a poor man’s Russia. And Russia sucks ass.
Stop allowing illegal immigration Europe! Wake UP! Don’t be stupíd.
It’s basically the top-destinations that have to lower standards and social benefits for illegal migrants to end the problem with illegal migration
kick the leeches out, we must go back to the initial core.
Remigration now, or the EU will not survive. Mass non European migration has functioned as a weapon used by USA/Russia to destabilize and destroy EU, while the left and right are all to happy to play their part for the alter of rigging the labour market and multicultural fantasies.
And so we either solve this problem now, or let American and Russian backed far right solve it a few decades from now. While we helplessly watch them brutalize Europeans, break institutions, and destroy the Union. Two thousand years of development gone in a few years. With the death of the EU will come a century or more of living under Russian and American Oligarchic Empires, if Europe is lucky.
Europe’s very own century of humiliation will be the best we could hope for in such a calamity, as it will likely be far worse than any of us could imagine. But time hasn’t run out yet, we can still save mankind’s last best hope.
This is still up for discussion? We still in 2015/2016 trying to make this plan no one actually wants work?
How about a plan to relocate the mass amount of Polish disapora then, considering it is one of, if not, the largest in Europe?
Newsflash Poland, but African/Asian illegal migrants aren’t heading to Poland of all places, so don’t have the gual to complain.
That “solidarity framework” is only one part of the new migration and asylym pact though, that Nawrocki is talking about.
The pact also includes toughening external borders and frontex, creating an EU wide “Eurodac” database that identifies and keeps track of all asylym seekers and migrants, increasing cooperation with source/north african countries’ own border guards, and a creation of “fast-track” procedures intented to make asylum desicion and deportation significantly faster, for example.
That solidarity framework is only one part of it, and yes, maybe the most controversial in some countries. There were procedures negotiated that would allow paying financial sums instead of taking refugees through the framework though.
But it’s false image that the pact would make migration easier that some seem to have – it would actually toughen it. VdL’s Commission has even talked about external asylym processing centres outside EU, but that’s not part of this plan.
I personally identify 3 issues with migration:
1)UN 1951 refugee convention, that forms the basic of legislation about refugees, doesn’t really take into account the large wealth differences between countries and how this pushes migration. So large share of migrants coming into the system are ultimately refused refugee status. This pact was written in 1951, after WW2, where lots of people died because they were turned away at border. Refugee convention requires the migrants and their asylym request to be legally processed.
2)Processing of asylym seekers takes too long.
3)Deportation of migrants whose asylym request is denied, is often very hard. Some countries don’t want to take them back, and this is one reason that makes it hard.
EU’s new migration pact would have some solutions to all these three issues. Except first one, except in some special circumstances. Make asylym process and possible deportation faster. “Solidarity framework” part of it is probably because some (especially southern european) countries feel that it’s unfair that they have to face so much of the burden, that’s a fair point in itself.
So when many people in this comment section talk about “illegal migration”, it’s kind of contradictory, because the laws we ourself wrote, creates the requirement to process asylym requests.
And it’s quite interesting that most effective way so far has been increasing cooperation with north african countries (and also Turkey). EU has deals with all of them, and in those deals, EU provides funding, and those states forcefully turn back migrants and arrest human smugglers in north africa. This has also caused some critisism, as those methods are sometimes rough.
So the current situation is that EU pays northern african countries, to use all methods, even lots of force, to turn away migrants, but if the migrants get into europe, it gets into lengthy asylym process, and can’t be turned away at border. Honestly, it doesn’t make sense. It is legal, but it doesn’t make sense. It’s not really fair either, as people who get inside into asylym process aren’t probably those most in need; large amount are young men who’s family has paid money to human smugglers.
Only conclusion I can get is that 1951 refugee convention is outdated.
Von Der Pfizer has so much money, she can relocate the migrants on her own.