“What if” is not a good game. Let’s stick to reality please
sfrattini on
Ok, this is BS propaganda. Even Russia getting close to Kyiv at this stage will trigger a request for negotiation at least, the is no way NATO would sit and watch forever.
fotzenbraedl on
Once Ukraine is occupied by Russia, the PRC can more safely risk the wheat imports from the US and Australia by attacking Taiwan.
StrayStep on
I believe that this shows a possible future. Because Putin have tied Russia’s survival to some unending victory. Russia propaganda is telling Russians this EXACT story and it can not be ignored.
This future can not happen! Thank you Ukraine for helping as stop Russia. I do not believe Russia would be successful at attacking another military force, but that won’t stop the Kremlin from trying.
frf_leaker on
The denial here from Westerners is so funny honestly. This is not “Russian propaganda”, this is a realistic scenario if the West’s attitude doesn’t change
Commander_Trashbag on
Well, that’s definitely a worst case scenario, although thankfully not that realistic.
>Two largest forces of Europe join together.
That would require all Ukrainians to give themselves up to Russia. I doubt that this would happen.
Russia taking over Hungary might also not be the most realistic scenario. But since it’s only Hungry, it won’t really help Russia. It would however be hilarious if this happened and Austria would join NATO due to that risk.
Russia taking over the Baltics without NATO intervening is also highly unlikely. Russia doing the same to Poland is even more unlikely. While Germany is taking their time with some things, there’s currently no reason to believe that we won’t defend NATO territory. Quite the opposite actually. Germany has started to strengthen its military and is planning to deploy a brigade in Lithuania. We will defend NATO.
And let’s be honest, even if Germany wouldn’t do shit. There’s only so much Russia can do, before they get bitch slapped by the US.
Regardless, Russia winning this war is still an unacceptable danger to European and world peace and democracy.
InflamedNodes on
Firstly I think NATO would step in before that scenario. Then I think Ukraine would become an insurgency, with guerrilla warfare. I also think there would be other countries attacking Russia on their borders openly, including attacking Belarus. I just don’t see Ukraine ever going for peace when the reality is that they would be genocided 100%, their culture and language completely taken away, and literally no democracy or self-determination. It’s all in for Ukraine, and their population agrees.
JariJorma on
In this scenario Russia definitely would collapse.
barktwiggs on
Olaf Scholz too scared to help. Yeah, that checks out.
atlasraven on
Guaranteed Putin would start something at NATO borders as soon as it is convenient.
Ato_Pihel on
Weak fearmongering. Russia has nowhere near the resources to conquer and occupy Ukraine, let alone Poland. You cannot win the protracted war & game of attrition with such a primitive and undiversified economy. But what I find particularly annoying, is the omission of any political agency of the Ukrainian people in these sort of scenarios. Does anyone really think that the people that rose up at Maidan shall let any capitulation to go through after two years of fresh and first hand experiences of Muscovite atrocities?
LaurestineHUN on
This was fucking triggering, unironically good job man, it has the intended effect
forthehundredthtime on
really good. should have been made 2 years ago
Klefaxidus on
Ok, that’s convincing enough.
Uniban32 on
This is a simple fearmongering. Yes, educate people, yes, the west needs to step up two levels at least, but this post is wrong on so many levels.
unknow_feature on
Since spring of 2021 I was constantly talking to my Ukrainian friends about potential full scale invasion. I’m Ukrainian by myself. But been living in the US for many years. Everyone was saying that it’s not logical to attack Ukraine. I was responding that logic is not something that moscowia is using as a base for their decisions. There was no logic behind 2014 invasion. Despite how unrealistic this video seems. Remember how unrealistic it seemed that the full scale invasion of Ukraine could be possible.
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What if Ukraine is forced to surrender to Russia? What happens next? What kind of global security environment would there be?
This video was made by Mykhailo Dankanych, a former TV producer who is currently serving in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Source: Illia Ponomarenko
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1788283804664168467
“What if” is not a good game. Let’s stick to reality please
Ok, this is BS propaganda. Even Russia getting close to Kyiv at this stage will trigger a request for negotiation at least, the is no way NATO would sit and watch forever.
Once Ukraine is occupied by Russia, the PRC can more safely risk the wheat imports from the US and Australia by attacking Taiwan.
I believe that this shows a possible future. Because Putin have tied Russia’s survival to some unending victory. Russia propaganda is telling Russians this EXACT story and it can not be ignored.
This future can not happen! Thank you Ukraine for helping as stop Russia. I do not believe Russia would be successful at attacking another military force, but that won’t stop the Kremlin from trying.
The denial here from Westerners is so funny honestly. This is not “Russian propaganda”, this is a realistic scenario if the West’s attitude doesn’t change
Well, that’s definitely a worst case scenario, although thankfully not that realistic.
>Two largest forces of Europe join together.
That would require all Ukrainians to give themselves up to Russia. I doubt that this would happen.
Russia taking over Hungary might also not be the most realistic scenario. But since it’s only Hungry, it won’t really help Russia. It would however be hilarious if this happened and Austria would join NATO due to that risk.
Russia taking over the Baltics without NATO intervening is also highly unlikely. Russia doing the same to Poland is even more unlikely. While Germany is taking their time with some things, there’s currently no reason to believe that we won’t defend NATO territory. Quite the opposite actually. Germany has started to strengthen its military and is planning to deploy a brigade in Lithuania. We will defend NATO.
And let’s be honest, even if Germany wouldn’t do shit. There’s only so much Russia can do, before they get bitch slapped by the US.
Regardless, Russia winning this war is still an unacceptable danger to European and world peace and democracy.
Firstly I think NATO would step in before that scenario. Then I think Ukraine would become an insurgency, with guerrilla warfare. I also think there would be other countries attacking Russia on their borders openly, including attacking Belarus. I just don’t see Ukraine ever going for peace when the reality is that they would be genocided 100%, their culture and language completely taken away, and literally no democracy or self-determination. It’s all in for Ukraine, and their population agrees.
In this scenario Russia definitely would collapse.
Olaf Scholz too scared to help. Yeah, that checks out.
Guaranteed Putin would start something at NATO borders as soon as it is convenient.
Weak fearmongering. Russia has nowhere near the resources to conquer and occupy Ukraine, let alone Poland. You cannot win the protracted war & game of attrition with such a primitive and undiversified economy. But what I find particularly annoying, is the omission of any political agency of the Ukrainian people in these sort of scenarios. Does anyone really think that the people that rose up at Maidan shall let any capitulation to go through after two years of fresh and first hand experiences of Muscovite atrocities?
This was fucking triggering, unironically good job man, it has the intended effect
really good. should have been made 2 years ago
Ok, that’s convincing enough.
This is a simple fearmongering. Yes, educate people, yes, the west needs to step up two levels at least, but this post is wrong on so many levels.
Since spring of 2021 I was constantly talking to my Ukrainian friends about potential full scale invasion. I’m Ukrainian by myself. But been living in the US for many years. Everyone was saying that it’s not logical to attack Ukraine. I was responding that logic is not something that moscowia is using as a base for their decisions. There was no logic behind 2014 invasion. Despite how unrealistic this video seems. Remember how unrealistic it seemed that the full scale invasion of Ukraine could be possible.