Why are government/press presenting this “will have to reveal” as if it’s been a secret up till now?
They have to “reveal” it to the RTB every time a tenancy is registered, and then again each year at the annual re-registration.
asdrunkasdrunkcanbe on
>The laws will effectively ban no-fault evictions — where a landlord can end a tenancy without having to prove the tenant did something wrong, such as breaking the lease or not paying rent — for larger landlords, with four or more properties.
>Smaller landlords will be permitted to evict a tenant in some circumstances, including if they or an immediate family member are planning to live in the property.
>A no-fault eviction will be permitted in circumstances where they are selling the property to fund the purchase of their own house.
>Landlords will not be permitted to reset their rents after a no-fault eviction.
Still not 100% where it needs to be, but that’s several steps in the right direction. I would rather an overall ban on no-fault evictions. At least for anyone with more than one rental property.
But I suspect the main logic with this “nearly there” move is concern that where the choice is between renting out an empty property for 3 years while you’re working abroad, or just leaving it idle, then people will choose to leave it sit idle if they can’t evict the tenants when they get home.
Dapper-Lab-9285 on
Sticking a band aid onto the Titanic. The problem is a lack of homes being built and nothing they have done is encouraging new homes being built.
Affectionate-Idea451 on
Small landlords (the vast majority of rented properties in the state) will in future need a government approved reason “financial hardship” to regain possession of their property to sell it at full market value. Vacant possession makes a huge difference in the value of a property – especially a house – on the open market.
This is a significant change to the risk profile of rented property as a form of investment and the logical response would be for the owner to require a higher rent in order to compensate for the risk of capital loss. Or alternatively, to not re-let the property if and when it becomes vacant, and use the capital for a different form of investment.
It’s a significant step forward for everyone campaigning for an end to the private rental sector.
Substantial_Rope8225 on
Damn where was this when I got a no fault eviction notice on a 7 year tenancy earlier this year 🙃
No-Outside6067 on
> The laws will effectively ban no-fault evictions — where a landlord can end a tenancy without having to prove the tenant did something wrong, such as breaking the lease or not paying rent — for larger landlords, with four or more properties.
I remember when they banned no fault evictions during covid and it brought down homelessness. Then they repealed it because they claimed it would bring about more investment and building.
Usheen_ on
They banned no-fault evictions to then allow them for a few years to now making it very very difficult. They introduced the toothless dereliction levy and are not gradually making is effective…
It’s hard to give them credit for doing things we have been talking about for a decade.
nynikai on
Good tenants need stronger tenure rights. Landlords need quicker legal evictions for bad tenants however.
Imbecile_Jr on
Deposits should also be held in escrow. It boggles the mind that we simply allow the landlord to hold on to it.
magharees on
I’ve worn both sides of the shoe. During the recession era we lived in a cosy little cottage with wife + 2 toddlers. Served notice because & I was really shocked at his admission ‘ he didn’t like tenants staying there too long’ – at that point we had lived there 4 years. He had also been weird about an overgrown garden hedge which was my responsibility according to the lease..Landlords are weird about their ~~babies~~ properties & what obligations there are on both sides. How & ever we got out on time per regs & did not force out problems on the landlord.
But in fairness we moved out & his son moved in + he even paid me a reasonable amt of € for a really nice handbuilt shed I had put in. I’m aware that the longer you lease the longer notice you get, that has been the case for a long time & that is probably what some landlords like to avoid. With the new regs this becomes an impossibility which is probably a good thing for no-fault situations. Except in this country you hear a lot about at-fault tenancies & there’s not a lot of empathy for that.
Maybe I was unlucky when the shoe was on the other foot & was renting out a house, every single tenant’s actions left the place needing renovation(I think we went through 3 expensive renovations on on-off short-long terms rentals always caused by long-term renters). Overstaying the lease happened when we wanted to sell with the last tenant, I know things are tumultuous out there, but having to be a reluctant landlord & receiving solicitor’s letters is not something a unintentional landlord wants in their life, before you ask we were very reasonable & accommodating but the person made it a horrible experience & refused to even let us advertise the house & banged on about Covid regs long after the gov ceased all restrictions. Meanwhile she broke the tenancy agreement by getting a large dog even though it specified no pets which scraped the floors & bit the furniture & she left the place so disgusting that a hazmat suit wouldn’t have been overkill apart from overstaying almost a year…it took me 2 days to clean the kitchen & yes me not one of my multiple servants. We felt lucky in a way as she continued to pay rent & we did not have to go the legal route which by all accounts can take a year, €20k+ & you typically can kiss costs & back rent goodbye.
Aside from that I still feel lucky we got out, I hated being a landlord frankly & any of my tenants never treated the house or us with the respect we ever treated any place we rented. The mortgage was in no way serviced by the rent & the extra work/cost of reinstating the hse continually over the years made it a real drag. The horror stories of people paying a mortgage & receiving no rent for months -> year+ is not something any person should have to deal with & this country is rife with these stories with little legal protection from the RTB who seem to go after rogue landlords a lot more than rogue tenants which kind of apes the same issue with policing in this state – go after those who are generally law-abiding & ignore those who aren’t.
No wonder that the predominant ‘landlord-class’ are switching from individuals -> investment funds that have the ability to handle that situation when they own multiple properties & can handle rogue tenants & have a lot more checks on individuals seeking a tenancy. And so short-term with no tenancy rights is a lot more attractive & selling out to have the dwelling picked up by those who can (generally to live in) leaves those who can’t & are cursed to rent forever in a very unenviable position & yes can empathise with that situation. See how many fucks an investment fund has to give if you are late with rent huh?
Private landlords need recourse to be able to sell their property, forbidding that is likely unconstitutional. Also they should be able to ‘install’ a family member there, I had no grience not having my tenancy renewed & discovering the landlord’s son wheeling a pram in there afterwards, it’s their property – JFC.
Article 43 of the Irish Constitution guarantees a right to private property, which includes the rights to own, transfer, and inherit property, and the State cannot pass a law that abolishes these rights
I live in the countryside now, **if** I had an apt in the city & my daughters were going to college I sure AF want them there instead of paying the same rent to an investment fund & paying tax on the same amt coming by way of the apt.
Reddit has a whole of of self-entitlement in regards to this topic
/rant
A privileged former landlord scumbag boomer
Rogue7559 on
Public register could be double edged sword.
Might help larger players game the market.
No_Donkey456 on
That’s a great change to be fair
Major_Disaster76 on
no harm once it’s universal across all landlords and not just private landlords , and per unit , not some meaningless average
Various_Alfalfa_1078 on
My tenant charges me everyday…. walkies and dog food but he does pay me with happiness! On a serious note 1/3 of td’s are landlords, they don’t give a f◇ck about us.
Gullible-Schedule864 on
The whole system is fucked.
There are more illegal bed sits being offered for rent in one part of Dublin I’m looking at compared to apartments / houses. It’s impossible (or should be?) to register such tenancies with the RTB to start… maybe next year?!
Tenants need assurances that they have security of tenure and a decent home to live in. Why is it that lease agreements are always limited to one year? If an investor enters the stock market the minimum recommended timeframe is 5 years. Once contracts have strong exit clauses (on both sides) , with good vetting, why not have the option of a 5 year tenancy agreement?
Landlords also need better security and incentives. As an investment, rent charged is subject to up to 50% to Revenue. If a property is damaged there is no chance a landlord would succeed in a civil case. There is also little or no incentive for a landlord to upgrade or improve the property during a tenancy.
TheTealBandit on
Definitely needed, just moved out of a rental and the landlord put up rent by around 30%
17 commenti
Surely someone claims GDPR on this
Why are government/press presenting this “will have to reveal” as if it’s been a secret up till now?
They have to “reveal” it to the RTB every time a tenancy is registered, and then again each year at the annual re-registration.
>The laws will effectively ban no-fault evictions — where a landlord can end a tenancy without having to prove the tenant did something wrong, such as breaking the lease or not paying rent — for larger landlords, with four or more properties.
>Smaller landlords will be permitted to evict a tenant in some circumstances, including if they or an immediate family member are planning to live in the property.
>A no-fault eviction will be permitted in circumstances where they are selling the property to fund the purchase of their own house.
>Landlords will not be permitted to reset their rents after a no-fault eviction.
Still not 100% where it needs to be, but that’s several steps in the right direction. I would rather an overall ban on no-fault evictions. At least for anyone with more than one rental property.
But I suspect the main logic with this “nearly there” move is concern that where the choice is between renting out an empty property for 3 years while you’re working abroad, or just leaving it idle, then people will choose to leave it sit idle if they can’t evict the tenants when they get home.
Sticking a band aid onto the Titanic. The problem is a lack of homes being built and nothing they have done is encouraging new homes being built.
Small landlords (the vast majority of rented properties in the state) will in future need a government approved reason “financial hardship” to regain possession of their property to sell it at full market value. Vacant possession makes a huge difference in the value of a property – especially a house – on the open market.
This is a significant change to the risk profile of rented property as a form of investment and the logical response would be for the owner to require a higher rent in order to compensate for the risk of capital loss. Or alternatively, to not re-let the property if and when it becomes vacant, and use the capital for a different form of investment.
It’s a significant step forward for everyone campaigning for an end to the private rental sector.
Damn where was this when I got a no fault eviction notice on a 7 year tenancy earlier this year 🙃
> The laws will effectively ban no-fault evictions — where a landlord can end a tenancy without having to prove the tenant did something wrong, such as breaking the lease or not paying rent — for larger landlords, with four or more properties.
I remember when they banned no fault evictions during covid and it brought down homelessness. Then they repealed it because they claimed it would bring about more investment and building.
They banned no-fault evictions to then allow them for a few years to now making it very very difficult. They introduced the toothless dereliction levy and are not gradually making is effective…
It’s hard to give them credit for doing things we have been talking about for a decade.
Good tenants need stronger tenure rights. Landlords need quicker legal evictions for bad tenants however.
Deposits should also be held in escrow. It boggles the mind that we simply allow the landlord to hold on to it.
I’ve worn both sides of the shoe. During the recession era we lived in a cosy little cottage with wife + 2 toddlers. Served notice because & I was really shocked at his admission ‘ he didn’t like tenants staying there too long’ – at that point we had lived there 4 years. He had also been weird about an overgrown garden hedge which was my responsibility according to the lease..Landlords are weird about their ~~babies~~ properties & what obligations there are on both sides. How & ever we got out on time per regs & did not force out problems on the landlord.
But in fairness we moved out & his son moved in + he even paid me a reasonable amt of € for a really nice handbuilt shed I had put in. I’m aware that the longer you lease the longer notice you get, that has been the case for a long time & that is probably what some landlords like to avoid. With the new regs this becomes an impossibility which is probably a good thing for no-fault situations. Except in this country you hear a lot about at-fault tenancies & there’s not a lot of empathy for that.
Maybe I was unlucky when the shoe was on the other foot & was renting out a house, every single tenant’s actions left the place needing renovation(I think we went through 3 expensive renovations on on-off short-long terms rentals always caused by long-term renters). Overstaying the lease happened when we wanted to sell with the last tenant, I know things are tumultuous out there, but having to be a reluctant landlord & receiving solicitor’s letters is not something a unintentional landlord wants in their life, before you ask we were very reasonable & accommodating but the person made it a horrible experience & refused to even let us advertise the house & banged on about Covid regs long after the gov ceased all restrictions. Meanwhile she broke the tenancy agreement by getting a large dog even though it specified no pets which scraped the floors & bit the furniture & she left the place so disgusting that a hazmat suit wouldn’t have been overkill apart from overstaying almost a year…it took me 2 days to clean the kitchen & yes me not one of my multiple servants. We felt lucky in a way as she continued to pay rent & we did not have to go the legal route which by all accounts can take a year, €20k+ & you typically can kiss costs & back rent goodbye.
Aside from that I still feel lucky we got out, I hated being a landlord frankly & any of my tenants never treated the house or us with the respect we ever treated any place we rented. The mortgage was in no way serviced by the rent & the extra work/cost of reinstating the hse continually over the years made it a real drag. The horror stories of people paying a mortgage & receiving no rent for months -> year+ is not something any person should have to deal with & this country is rife with these stories with little legal protection from the RTB who seem to go after rogue landlords a lot more than rogue tenants which kind of apes the same issue with policing in this state – go after those who are generally law-abiding & ignore those who aren’t.
No wonder that the predominant ‘landlord-class’ are switching from individuals -> investment funds that have the ability to handle that situation when they own multiple properties & can handle rogue tenants & have a lot more checks on individuals seeking a tenancy. And so short-term with no tenancy rights is a lot more attractive & selling out to have the dwelling picked up by those who can (generally to live in) leaves those who can’t & are cursed to rent forever in a very unenviable position & yes can empathise with that situation. See how many fucks an investment fund has to give if you are late with rent huh?
Private landlords need recourse to be able to sell their property, forbidding that is likely unconstitutional. Also they should be able to ‘install’ a family member there, I had no grience not having my tenancy renewed & discovering the landlord’s son wheeling a pram in there afterwards, it’s their property – JFC.
Article 43 of the Irish Constitution guarantees a right to private property, which includes the rights to own, transfer, and inherit property, and the State cannot pass a law that abolishes these rights
I live in the countryside now, **if** I had an apt in the city & my daughters were going to college I sure AF want them there instead of paying the same rent to an investment fund & paying tax on the same amt coming by way of the apt.
Reddit has a whole of of self-entitlement in regards to this topic
/rant
A privileged former landlord scumbag boomer
Public register could be double edged sword.
Might help larger players game the market.
That’s a great change to be fair
no harm once it’s universal across all landlords and not just private landlords , and per unit , not some meaningless average
My tenant charges me everyday…. walkies and dog food but he does pay me with happiness! On a serious note 1/3 of td’s are landlords, they don’t give a f◇ck about us.
The whole system is fucked.
There are more illegal bed sits being offered for rent in one part of Dublin I’m looking at compared to apartments / houses. It’s impossible (or should be?) to register such tenancies with the RTB to start… maybe next year?!
Tenants need assurances that they have security of tenure and a decent home to live in. Why is it that lease agreements are always limited to one year? If an investor enters the stock market the minimum recommended timeframe is 5 years. Once contracts have strong exit clauses (on both sides) , with good vetting, why not have the option of a 5 year tenancy agreement?
Landlords also need better security and incentives. As an investment, rent charged is subject to up to 50% to Revenue. If a property is damaged there is no chance a landlord would succeed in a civil case. There is also little or no incentive for a landlord to upgrade or improve the property during a tenancy.
Definitely needed, just moved out of a rental and the landlord put up rent by around 30%