> He said he fully understands the role of a barrister, but added that it is important people “are consistent in terms of their public utterances.”
it can’t get clearer than that really can it. the party leader admitting that they know full well how things work, and despite the admonitions of their own minister for justice, they’re fuckin gonna keep doing it
they are aware that what they’re doing is undermining a core principle of the legal system but they don’t care because maintaining power is more important to Fine Gael than upholding the democratic ideals on which the state is founded.
TheLegendaryStag353 on
I wonder has he been consistent on scoliosis? When he was wearing his bucket hat and oasis t shirt and parading around like an infant on TikTok as that poor boy died – was he being consistent?
A revolting, disgusting degenerate that should be selling toner somewhere not at the cabinet table. Shame on anyone who voted for him.
SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS on
They’re unwilling to accept any fault during the election, but you know FG will pull a complete 180 and feign contrition once Connolly gets elected.
mistr-puddles on
In the video fine Gael accused Connolly if avoiding questions. When Humphreys was asked about the video she pretended she didn’t know anything about it
Fit_Fix_6812 on
Their approach has backfired completely with people not already tied to FG in my opinion.
I approached the election as a choice between two underwhelming candidates – CC, who I like comes from outside the establishment but says some really odd stuff, and HH who seems to epitomose modern politicians in that she bounced around departments improving nothing of note but talks about her achievements – but would be a safe pair of hands for this particular role.
FGs descent into shitty personal attacks has removed any likelihood of me voting for HH, and I know quite a few people who feel the same.
Its a shame they didnt focus on making HH a more credible candidate instead. Nearing the end of the campaign, the only thing I have learned about her is that she used to manage a credit union.
sjg244 on
He probably should
flemishbiker88 on
I wonder what hope FGFF would have if the youth got out to vote in the next election…they are so dislikable, but sure they will have a giveaway budget right before the next general election and folks will develop amnesia
Commercial-One-5820 on
Snake
StickAdventurous8237 on
He’s such a spineless twerp.
GarthODarth on
So she was practicing law from 1991-2016? The law set by the government at the time who were pretty consistently FF, later FG?
If anything her time practicing law (she has said she worked both for banks and for home owners in repossession cases) should give her substantial insight into the reality of the more extreme situations.
Like, if I was seeking legal counsel to save my home, someone who had worked cases on the bank’s side is probably a good person to pick? They’d know how it all works?
Also – FG are putting forth the quite radical idea that believing everyone should have housing == debts shouldn’t be enforced. And while I’m compelled by this idea, and would like to hear more, I’m pretty sure they don’t stand by that.
Dee-Dee-Mauwe on
Once again, Simon Harris/Fine Gael dragging Irish political discourse into the Trumpian gutter…
WraithsOnWings2023 on
If Connolly refused to take these cases FG would now be accusing her of being professionally negligent and letting her personal views get in the way of carrying out the duty of an office and that she is unfit to be president.
The dogs in the street know that FG have played and continue to play a key role in the housing crisis, they are engaging in this very negative campaigning to try and engender voter apathy in the hope that people on the fence will stay home based on the “all politicians are the same” principle. It is deeply cynical and another example of how negative politics has become after 14 years of FG rule.
There has been some very bad judgment shown by Harris throughout this campaign that I think will come back to haunt him.
agithecaca on
To all in the centre, mar dhea, the whole hypocrisy gotcha wears pretty thin, when it highlights someone has principles and you have none.
zenzenok on
Nah, don’t believe that. It’s damage limitation at this stage. Don’t admit mistakes and wait for it to blow over is the strategy now.
TheFreemanLIVES on
I don’t understand this cab rank rule…every time I whistle for a barrister, none show up.
Jealous-Shop-8866 on
Can’t wait to see the puss on this snake when Connolly wipes the floor with his candidate.
chonkykais16 on
Weasel
BourbonBroker on
This is why I and very many others have left FG recently. They can’t see how bad at campaigning they are. You should see all the self praise in the What’s App groups it’s exhausting.
FG needs strong leadership again but there’s generally no one there who I trust. They need a spell in opposition to rebuild.
keeko847 on
Apart from being pure shit slinging, FG can’t even follow through on this because they’re the party of the banks. The message should be ‘she helped evict people’ but because they’re the party of neoliberalism and finance, not to mention that it was their policies that contributed, they can’t go further than just saying it’s inconsistent, which is weak given their candidate is even more inconsistent.
If anything I think the fact she represented the banks doesn’t have much sway with her voters and actually bolsters her argument that it wouldn’t be a problem for her to work with people she doesn’t agree with (FF/FG, Trump, etc), which I think was a decent line of attack for FG
SeanB2003 on
I think there’s a really interesting pathology at the heart of Fine Gael that has been fully exposed in this election.
I can kind of understand and even to some degree respect (even though I disagree) the kind of Fine Gaeler who is your bog standard liberal conservative: strong institutions are important and the bedrock of liberty and prosperity, Fine Gael are the most techocratically competent to hand to guide those institutions.
When Fine Gael are attacking those institutions, as they have in this campaign, then what is actually left in terms of a principled party? Populism for nobody. Just grasping at power purely as an end in itself and as a means of personal advancement.
Maybe you don’t need to have a point of course. There’s probably enough people out there who will vote for you purely because they hope you won’t raise their taxes too much and you’ll keep houses nice and expensive. Do your ten years and get a nice lobbying job.
It’s funny that it has been so exposed in such a low stakes election, but I think that’s also where you get to the pathology aspect of it.
It drives them mad that they’ve never won a presidential election. That shouldn’t matter to them though, unless what you want from politics is not just power and money but you also crave respect and *want to be liked.*
That people know you’ll look after their interests, even at the expense of others, doesn’t mean they like you.
They might even despise you. There is a deep insecurity in a lot of FGers that they are, in fact, widely despised.
The presidential election just shows it over and over again – when Irish people are asked to pick someone who represents them and their values through their person they never pick a Fine Gaeler. They cannot cope psychologically with that, and are willing to harm their own coalition in their lashing out against it.
“[…] what I and my family have faced in recent weeks is not political debate. It is abuse. It is intimidation. It is behaviour that should never, ever be treated as normal. And no one is to blame except those choosing to abuse and make threats.”
…
“There is a clear and sinister pattern and a very apparent motivation; to intimidate me out of public office.”
——
And now he’s speaking out of the other side of his mouth.
LucyVialli on
He will have plenty regrets come Saturday.
lace_chaps on
It’s an interesting insight into their world view if they cannot believe that anyone who is not a poor could genuinely care about societal inequities. Partly explains the hysterical reaction to leftist political figures if you see them as a bunch of insincere hypocrits who (for some reason never actually explained) want to ruin everything by taking on the cause of the resentful have-nots in our society. The scary have-nots are the underserving wolves at the door in this paradigm.
earth-calling-karma on
How does he still have a job?
jonnieggg on
He also had no regrets about misleading the public about medical care for children with scoliosis.
GazelleIll495 on
The video is voiced by James Geoghean, a barrister and FG TD. Does he align with everyone he has ever represented?
mrlinkwii on
of all the thing harris could say he chose the worst thing
Confident_Reporter14 on
The hilarious thing about all this is FG aren’t even criticising her legal representation of the banks during the crash, they’re criticising her statements made *against* those same banks.
FG sees no issue with the repossessions, the homelessness, the suffering. This is genuine virtue signalling in the most blantant sense, and insinuates that the party believes you should not be permitted to criticise or dissent in situations you yourself benefit from, even if through **no “fault”** of your own.
That’s quite a *dangerous* precedent to set.
Laundry_Hamper on
This running in parallel with the Trump shit video event is nice synchronicity
MarchNo1112 on
HH has lost a lot of votes over the whole barrister slur. I really think that will backfire on FG. Whoever’s running their campaign is really trying to outdo FF at this stage in terms of sheer incompetence.
debaser11 on
The barrister stuff is genuinely unbelievable. Have they not thought it through for even a minute? What about barristers who represent murderers or rapists? Are they not allowed to oppose rape or murder?
Jaded_Variation9111 on
Any word from Harris or his cronies on the fact that a FG councilor and member of their National Executive for 12 years is up on charges for embezzling €170k from a *check notes* a mental health housing charity?
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> He said he fully understands the role of a barrister, but added that it is important people “are consistent in terms of their public utterances.”
it can’t get clearer than that really can it. the party leader admitting that they know full well how things work, and despite the admonitions of their own minister for justice, they’re fuckin gonna keep doing it
they are aware that what they’re doing is undermining a core principle of the legal system but they don’t care because maintaining power is more important to Fine Gael than upholding the democratic ideals on which the state is founded.
I wonder has he been consistent on scoliosis? When he was wearing his bucket hat and oasis t shirt and parading around like an infant on TikTok as that poor boy died – was he being consistent?
A revolting, disgusting degenerate that should be selling toner somewhere not at the cabinet table. Shame on anyone who voted for him.
They’re unwilling to accept any fault during the election, but you know FG will pull a complete 180 and feign contrition once Connolly gets elected.
In the video fine Gael accused Connolly if avoiding questions. When Humphreys was asked about the video she pretended she didn’t know anything about it
Their approach has backfired completely with people not already tied to FG in my opinion.
I approached the election as a choice between two underwhelming candidates – CC, who I like comes from outside the establishment but says some really odd stuff, and HH who seems to epitomose modern politicians in that she bounced around departments improving nothing of note but talks about her achievements – but would be a safe pair of hands for this particular role.
FGs descent into shitty personal attacks has removed any likelihood of me voting for HH, and I know quite a few people who feel the same.
Its a shame they didnt focus on making HH a more credible candidate instead. Nearing the end of the campaign, the only thing I have learned about her is that she used to manage a credit union.
He probably should
I wonder what hope FGFF would have if the youth got out to vote in the next election…they are so dislikable, but sure they will have a giveaway budget right before the next general election and folks will develop amnesia
Snake
He’s such a spineless twerp.
So she was practicing law from 1991-2016? The law set by the government at the time who were pretty consistently FF, later FG?
If anything her time practicing law (she has said she worked both for banks and for home owners in repossession cases) should give her substantial insight into the reality of the more extreme situations.
Like, if I was seeking legal counsel to save my home, someone who had worked cases on the bank’s side is probably a good person to pick? They’d know how it all works?
Also – FG are putting forth the quite radical idea that believing everyone should have housing == debts shouldn’t be enforced. And while I’m compelled by this idea, and would like to hear more, I’m pretty sure they don’t stand by that.
Once again, Simon Harris/Fine Gael dragging Irish political discourse into the Trumpian gutter…
If Connolly refused to take these cases FG would now be accusing her of being professionally negligent and letting her personal views get in the way of carrying out the duty of an office and that she is unfit to be president.
The dogs in the street know that FG have played and continue to play a key role in the housing crisis, they are engaging in this very negative campaigning to try and engender voter apathy in the hope that people on the fence will stay home based on the “all politicians are the same” principle. It is deeply cynical and another example of how negative politics has become after 14 years of FG rule.
There has been some very bad judgment shown by Harris throughout this campaign that I think will come back to haunt him.
To all in the centre, mar dhea, the whole hypocrisy gotcha wears pretty thin, when it highlights someone has principles and you have none.
Nah, don’t believe that. It’s damage limitation at this stage. Don’t admit mistakes and wait for it to blow over is the strategy now.
I don’t understand this cab rank rule…every time I whistle for a barrister, none show up.
Can’t wait to see the puss on this snake when Connolly wipes the floor with his candidate.
Weasel
This is why I and very many others have left FG recently. They can’t see how bad at campaigning they are. You should see all the self praise in the What’s App groups it’s exhausting.
FG needs strong leadership again but there’s generally no one there who I trust. They need a spell in opposition to rebuild.
Apart from being pure shit slinging, FG can’t even follow through on this because they’re the party of the banks. The message should be ‘she helped evict people’ but because they’re the party of neoliberalism and finance, not to mention that it was their policies that contributed, they can’t go further than just saying it’s inconsistent, which is weak given their candidate is even more inconsistent.
If anything I think the fact she represented the banks doesn’t have much sway with her voters and actually bolsters her argument that it wouldn’t be a problem for her to work with people she doesn’t agree with (FF/FG, Trump, etc), which I think was a decent line of attack for FG
I think there’s a really interesting pathology at the heart of Fine Gael that has been fully exposed in this election.
I can kind of understand and even to some degree respect (even though I disagree) the kind of Fine Gaeler who is your bog standard liberal conservative: strong institutions are important and the bedrock of liberty and prosperity, Fine Gael are the most techocratically competent to hand to guide those institutions.
When Fine Gael are attacking those institutions, as they have in this campaign, then what is actually left in terms of a principled party? Populism for nobody. Just grasping at power purely as an end in itself and as a means of personal advancement.
Maybe you don’t need to have a point of course. There’s probably enough people out there who will vote for you purely because they hope you won’t raise their taxes too much and you’ll keep houses nice and expensive. Do your ten years and get a nice lobbying job.
It’s funny that it has been so exposed in such a low stakes election, but I think that’s also where you get to the pathology aspect of it.
It drives them mad that they’ve never won a presidential election. That shouldn’t matter to them though, unless what you want from politics is not just power and money but you also crave respect and *want to be liked.*
That people know you’ll look after their interests, even at the expense of others, doesn’t mean they like you.
They might even despise you. There is a deep insecurity in a lot of FGers that they are, in fact, widely despised.
The presidential election just shows it over and over again – when Irish people are asked to pick someone who represents them and their values through their person they never pick a Fine Gaeler. They cannot cope psychologically with that, and are willing to harm their own coalition in their lashing out against it.
I’d just like to post [this personal statement](https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-foreign-affairs/press-releases/personal-statement-by-t%C3%A1naiste-simon-harris/) that Simon Harris made about six weeks ago, in relation to online attacks on him.
Here are some quotes from it:
———–
“[…] what I and my family have faced in recent weeks is not political debate. It is abuse. It is intimidation. It is behaviour that should never, ever be treated as normal. And no one is to blame except those choosing to abuse and make threats.”
…
“There is a clear and sinister pattern and a very apparent motivation; to intimidate me out of public office.”
——
And now he’s speaking out of the other side of his mouth.
He will have plenty regrets come Saturday.
It’s an interesting insight into their world view if they cannot believe that anyone who is not a poor could genuinely care about societal inequities. Partly explains the hysterical reaction to leftist political figures if you see them as a bunch of insincere hypocrits who (for some reason never actually explained) want to ruin everything by taking on the cause of the resentful have-nots in our society. The scary have-nots are the underserving wolves at the door in this paradigm.
How does he still have a job?
He also had no regrets about misleading the public about medical care for children with scoliosis.
The video is voiced by James Geoghean, a barrister and FG TD. Does he align with everyone he has ever represented?
of all the thing harris could say he chose the worst thing
The hilarious thing about all this is FG aren’t even criticising her legal representation of the banks during the crash, they’re criticising her statements made *against* those same banks.
FG sees no issue with the repossessions, the homelessness, the suffering. This is genuine virtue signalling in the most blantant sense, and insinuates that the party believes you should not be permitted to criticise or dissent in situations you yourself benefit from, even if through **no “fault”** of your own.
That’s quite a *dangerous* precedent to set.
This running in parallel with the Trump shit video event is nice synchronicity
HH has lost a lot of votes over the whole barrister slur. I really think that will backfire on FG. Whoever’s running their campaign is really trying to outdo FF at this stage in terms of sheer incompetence.
The barrister stuff is genuinely unbelievable. Have they not thought it through for even a minute? What about barristers who represent murderers or rapists? Are they not allowed to oppose rape or murder?
Any word from Harris or his cronies on the fact that a FG councilor and member of their National Executive for 12 years is up on charges for embezzling €170k from a *check notes* a mental health housing charity?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-councillor-sean-mckiernan-charged-with-58-counts-of-theft-from-mental-health-housing-charity/a1986842688.html
These are not normal people and do not, in any way, shape or form, represent the best interests of our citizens.
Stick a fork in their ass, turn ‘em over, they’re done.