Con l’aumento della criminalità violenta e il calo del numero della polizia, è giunto il momento di lasciare che i britannici portino con sé strumenti di autodifesa come lo spray al peperoncino?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/opinion-violent-crime-let-brits-carry-pepper-spray-5HjdGFk_2/
di insomnimax_99
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Wondering where the coppers are? They’ll be all over you if you try to use self defence.
Is there any kind of proactive strategy to get this stuff down?
Not just with police but across all areas? Economy, education, health etc?
Just seems like fighting fires these days
Yes great idea, give people things the criminals will just grab off them and use.
Legalising pepper spray (or other non lethal self defense tools) makes sense. Violent criminals won’t use it, because it’s a downgrade when they’re already willing to carry around knives.
So it just reduces the gap between what an average person is allowed to use for self defense vs what the criminals are carrying around.
Violent crime is going down. What you are seeing is called “The News”.
WTF is Harry Todd smoking, Armed police were on the train 8 minuets after 999 was called. That’s an incredible response.
Sure, I’d much rather be pepper sprayed and then stabbed on a train rather than just plain old stabbed.
Police numbers are actually not at their lowest point nationally. It’s received knowledge, but it’s not actually true. It was possibly true up to ten years ago, and obviously it suits the police to gripe about it, but numbers have been climbing. [Source](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/63c92a4e8fa8f51c855649d2/__2.svg).
Yes, but I think they should add markers into the spray, and also register those unique markers at the point of sale. That individual is then responsible for any acts using that spray.
Is violent crime rising?
I was under the impression that a rise in crime was driven by things like an increase in Fraud and shoplifting
whereas things like Homicide and Violent crime are still decreasing
specifically knife crime seems to be stubborn and not decreasing but also not really rising
No, just harsher punishments for carrying in public. Instant prison
I’ve argued this for years – it’s horrifying that in situations like this law abiding people have no
options other than “run” which is pretty bloody difficult to do on a train..
The argument against always amounts to protecting police officers, or the obligatory “fewer not more” which is utopian nonsense.
This is a huge gap in law as far as I’m concerned.
No, because the same tools can be used by muggers/rapists
Violent crime and homicide are literally lower than they’ve ever been, but sure, lets spread utter nonsense.
On the flip side, with police numbers falling, what will *stop* Britons from carrying self-defense tools like pepper spray?
‘Pepper spray’ is classified as a firearm in the UK and it should remain as such.
At the absolute most, it could be regulated and authorised to be carried only by licensed people who have completed suitable training and ongoing (annual) assessment.
No.
There is no evidence from anywhere that allowing people to carry weapons makes them safer from attack. Often it just makes them more likely to be attacked by their own weapon.
Pepper spray is illegal, but just a reminder that police budgets underwent cuts, which also led to front line policing taking a hit.
Violent crime didn’t rise in the immediate aftermath but we’re now seeing dividends down the line because the system as a whole can’t cope, even before factoring in the rise of the population
Self-defence tools doesn’t fix the underlying issue. It treats the symptoms. I know criminals will get what’s coming to them anyway, but I don’t like the idea of this potentially having a creep towards legalising non-lethal and then lethal firearms, or trying to promote potentially vigilantism. Ik that’s seen as a stretch to some, but the risk is there.
I’m absolutely in favour of the right to self-defence. I just lament the state that let us to this point
No, it wont stop random attackers, who will jump and spray you in the face.
If you are anticipating an attack yes, if its a random jumping no.
As a victim of attempted murder, and rape, I’d support this.
Making self defense tools illegal just shows predators that we can’t fight back. That’s why my attacker came for me. He saw an old, disabled woman and came for me in my assistance home.
(I’m fine. It was “attempted”. He picked the wrong target when he picked me. He’s in prison, and missing teeth, now. 😁)
Trust LBC to put the US answer to British problems.
And, and I appreciate this is controversial – instead of putting the onus on the individual to protect themselves we could… re fund the police force after years of austerity. Maybe some of the money we keep spending on contracts for foreign companies to fix things that doesn’t come back into the UK economy could be assessed and re distributed. Wild idea i know.
Betteridges law of headlines.
This would just lead to people being mugged with pepper spray, and also would lead to more people being stabbed because they try to pepper spray someone and fail, and the person stabs them.
And when everyone’s got pepper spray and violence is rising, should we all have guns?
I notice that the article fails to quote any stats whatsoever that suggest violent crime is rising.
Probably because it isn’t
Yes, although in reality I’d be using it on dangerous dogs rather than people.
I think pepper spray is reasonable. Surprising it’s not already legal tbh. Sounds like it would also be a tempting option for a youth that’s considering carrying a knife for self defence.
[https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/law/news/article/1953/crime-has-fallen-so-why-don-t-we-believe-it-two-school-of-law-academics-set-the-record-straight](https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/law/news/article/1953/crime-has-fallen-so-why-don-t-we-believe-it-two-school-of-law-academics-set-the-record-straight)
Daily Mail readers please ignore.
Violent crime isn’t rising. Petty crime has been rising unsurprisingly since 2010 and Austerity.
Violent crime has fallen massively.
Police numbers are far too low.
We don’t need pepper spray at all.
This argument was inevitable at some point. It was made so by having an ineffective Police force.
You give away your right to bear self-defence implements on the understanding that you can rely upon the Police to protect you. You cannot expect people to be okay with being defenceless when you have a Police force that doesn’t patrol and picks and chooses which callouts it responds to, often taking hours to do so even if they do choose to attend.
Violent crime has been decreasing over the last 10 years
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025