Ansioso e depresso quando ti viene detto “il lavoro fa bene”
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Ansioso e depresso quando ti viene detto “il lavoro fa bene”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/anxious-depressed-told-good-180000314.html
di Shiny-Tie-126
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Pretty certain it’s always been the message, I can’t remember a time when it hasn’t.
> As a result official projections show that the taxpayer bill for sickness and disability benefits is now set to top £100 billion a year by the end of the decade.
Jesus, that’s unsustainable, irregardless of your view of this plan, that cost is crazy.
i mean work is good for you, but if you are suffering from anxiety and or depression that badly, you likely arent actually fit for work. there is a huge difference between managing a few hours a week vs a full time job.
Back to work, drones. Your masters require more economic activity so number go up. Number must always go up or rich people will be sad.
I think the government’s approach to mental health is absolutely abysmal because (like literally everything else in England) the government’s approach is reactionary rather than actually trying to address the core, foundational problems with modern British society that are leading to the mental health crisis.
I will add that finding a new job has tremendously helped my mental health so it’s not wrong – working, keeping yourself busy, hanging out with coworkers, it does all help.
But the government is still pretty awful and just wanna see their numbers go up without much actual care for the mentally ill.
How about they stop fucking people over in every other respect and then maybe we won’t all be anxious and depressed
Having purpose in your life is good for you. Some find that internally. Some through volunteering. Some through work.
Job hunting, otoh, is demonstrably bad for mental health. If the government is going go all arbeit macht frei, they should at least help people get jobs without the whole screaming at the void exercise that is job hunting.
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1945: work makes you free
2025: work is good for you
Glib hyperbole aside I think the thing is it has to be meaningful work or work within a good environment.
And there is just not much focus on meaningful work it’s just any work no matter how miserable or precarious
It’s just get your unemployment figures off the books basically
Then do something to help people get into work, for fucks sake. All well and good being told work is good for you, when people are spiraling applying to 50 jobs a week with no luck.
All governments in this country ever seem to have is sticks to beat people back into work, no carrot.
Work isn’t good for you. Feeling fulfilled, valued and comfortable is good for you. Work *can* provide those things, if the wage is decent, the work-life balance is acceptable, and the employer doesn’t constantly take the piss.
Wages have stagnated, the cost of living has soared, the cost of accommodation is a fucking joke, and God help you if you need childcare as well. Many people are in full-time work and still need to claim benefits because employers have realised they can pay shit wages and the government will effectively subsidise them for it. The DWP will hound you to the ends of the Earth even if *they* accidentally pay *you* more than they think you’re entitled to, but people like Michelle Mone can rip the government and the taxpayer off to the tune of several million and then yacht off into the sunset. Mental healthcare is still an underfunded afterthought even though Covid made clear to anyone paying attention just how important it is to the fabric of society.
For many people, work is about sacrificing some of the precious limited time they have on this planet, spending it in an office instead of with their families or doing something that nourishes their spirit or develops their interests and abilities. It used to be the case that employers recognised that employees ought to be decently compensated for doing this. Now it feels like we’re only a few years off the point where they get pissy because we have the sheer nerve to expect any wages at all.
The social contract is in absolute shreds at this point. I cannot find it in my heart to truly blame anyone who thinks the game just isn’t worth playing anymore. Governments and employers have done more than their fair share in creating this environment, and now they whine when it’s time to reap the whirlwind.
I certainly can’t speak for others, but in my own experience working full time helped my depression and anxiety a lot. The structured days, socialisation and sense of reward were all really useful. Plus more spending money to do nice things to look forward to, and less worrying about finances.
Wouldn’t have an issue with being anxious or depressed about work if they stopped offshoring all the junior roles to the third world. Literally zero entry level tech jobs in the UK. Everything wants a degree and 2 years of experience. This market fucking sucks.
When the things are not in place to help with mental health issues like depression and anxiety how can they expect you to go out and work.
I remember when I was at my lowest with my depression I couldn’t get out of bed, it felt like the world was sitting on my chest and I found it impossible to even sit up.
I felt nothing, no sadness, no happiness, all I felt was a empty feeling inside and that crushing weight pinning me to the bed.
I went 10 days without food, barely drank any water which was being forced down me by my wife and barely managed to crawl my arse to the toilet when I needed to use it, a few times I considered just doing it in the bed because why not.
It only got better thanks to family who showed they cared, but only marginally, there was no way I would have been fit for work.
I ended up having to fight tooth and nail to try and get help, it wasnt easy to get and if i hadn’t tried to get help then I’m sure I’d have been in that bed for a lot longer than I was, unwilling to even do basic stuff like wash or even eat anything more than a tiny biscuit now and then just to try to make it for my wife not to worry about me.
Yep, working on a zero hours contract delivering parcels is the route to happiness
Some points to consider.
1. Insufficient physical NHS services. A while ago a guy needed a hip op and he’d have to wait about 2 years for it – that’s two years off work (his job was labourers.) Imagine if he could get it sooner?
2. Insufficient mental health services… waiting lists ridiculously long, a lack of options – not everyone gets on with medication yet that often seems to be first pick.
3. A lack of job opportunities. Let’s not pretend there aren’t loads of people actively seeking out work and not getting it. My friend is just one example. He’s very intelligent, especially tech wise, and yet can’t even get a job in a supermarket or admin etc.
4. Employers don’t want disabled people. This is another problem and it’s not disabled people’s faults.
5. Lack of flexibility for disabled people will keep them out of work. I think this is why sadly quite a few end up doing NSFW type work. Flexibility is something disabled people tend to NEED regardless of how inconvenient that could be.
6. Long Covid needs more treatment and research. It’s swept under the carpet to an insane degree but Long Covid is a huge problem and the lack of support and treatment is pretty unbelievable. It definitely seems tied in with job losses and more needs to be done.
I know disability isn’t specifically mentioned here however anxiety and depression can be disabling. In addition to this it is so tied in with physical disability that I thought I’d just go ahead and take a more general of this large scale issue.
It’s actually true work is good for the social aspect, studies back it up.
Labour are not selling it well though, and it’s very obvious this is about the far too high welfare bill.
You know what’s not good for you? Sitting around the house thinking and not earning money. So i’m not gonna lie, I kind of agree with this. I’m not saying work will cure your anxiety and depression but the routine, the income, the sense of achievement and the social aspect will have a positive impact. Ive always believed this, and before anyone says it, I have experienced depression and anxiety that I was medicated for, all I can say is sertraline did not help.
I find it interesting that nobody talks about the mental health impacts of repeat Covid infections.
I know we like to pretend it doesn’t exist anymore but there’s countless papers showing it can cause all sorts of psychiatric issues and yet we still haven’t implemented clean air strategies anywhere and we’ve restricted vaccine eligibility criterias too.
The more Covid infections people get then the worse it gets. Hilarious how we just pretended it vanished so we could get everyone back to the offices.
Of course people are depressed. You can work 7 days a week but if the job and pay is shit you wont get anywhere doing it. (if you can even get one with all the AI replacemnts!)
You are working to only pay your landlord most of your money, the energy company the rest, and then have to pick between less heating or electricity in order to be able to eat.
We are being grifted.
Birthrate is dropping because to afford rent, both people in a couple have to work and the fast dropping birthrate *has* to be made up with immigration its so bad. Thats *why* the immigration isnt being stopped. There is nothing France cant do that we cant in relation to how much money we give immigrants, we both follow the human rights act. But immigrants are being lured here intentionally so the rich can keep milking us for everything we have. E.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g.
Our gvernments *pick* these paths because they are the ones also making money from it. And when thats not the reason, its to let other areas they want to strip funding from be abused, to encourage public backing of stripping said funding (see disabled getting fancy cars. or “giving money to their car company mates to get the public to back scrapping the mobility scheme totally”. Or letting people with low levels of anxiety onto disibility so they can strip it from much larger groups. Its all a choice. Its all a grift. Keep them poor, keep them fighting one another, keep them desperate)
We are a slave state to our rich.
A close relative is nearing retirement age. She has, among various other MH issues, extreme anxiety. She struggles to leave the house, cannot use a bus, drive, etc. I know some scoff at anxiety as a MH issue but she has had a horrific time in life and it’s no wonder she has crippling anxiety.
In the past, she had a social/care worker (not sure which), who would work with her to increase her confidence in getting out. First they would meet her at the house, the next week, at the bus stop, the next week, the worker would get on the bus a stop later, so the relative was on the bus on her own for one stop, and gradually work to increase this until the worker met her in town. This was to work her up in confidence so she could take on voluntary work, and then hopefully part time work.
This stopped, and was changed to a guy who would meet her at the house, they’d go for a ten minute walk, then return home. Said relative believes the change was based on the carers not wanting to be at risk if she got lost on the way to the bus stop for example.
This anecdote got away from me but I’m trying to describe that, they say one thing but then the “support” they provide shows another.
We have a small virtual team. Very supportive of each other and a management that will bend over backwards to allow work life balance balance.
We now have a team member off with anxiety related I believe to non work issues. Problem is I perceive the longer they remain off the more that returning to work itself will be a further reason cited for anxiety.
Being honest if months go by where team members pick up the slack feelings will go from being supportive to aggrieved.
So i can see why person A may then opt for as longer paid sick leave as possible
GPs getting people back from short term mental health issues quickly is beneficial.
It was work that got me anxious and depressed in the first place.
I worked myself in to the ground until I became, “Not fit for work in any capacity”. Changes need to be made in the working environment so this doesn’t happen to people.
(I’m retired now and do voluntary work)
Achieving goals is good for your mental health, but work isn’t always like that at all. Some jobs I’ve had have actively depressed me, in fact most jobs I’ve had have, usually the lower skilled ones because you’re treated like an idiot by managers and abused by asshole customers
Finding a job probably is great but looking for one is suicide fuel.
Especially if that person hasn’t worked before. A lack of experience or gap in your CV makes employers look at you like you’ve got anthrax. And people with anxiety are gonna be the ones struggling to sell themselves in an interview (if they ever make it that far)
Rather depends how anxious or depressed you are, doesn’t it?
Because let’s be clear, people who are only mildly affected do not qualify for benefits. So any benefit cuts will intrinsically affect those who are most disabled.
£1 in every £10 of tax payers money is going on govt debt interest payments..
£22 Billion to Ukraine
£15 Billion to Migrant hotels
And the Govt are trying to claim that mental illness is the main issue?
They’re all gaslighting you, Tories, Labour, ReFuck
Don’t lap it up!
I guess it could be, if they could actually get the jobs instead of being ignored by recruiters, have to deal with psychological testing in interviews, from People who didn’t go through that, and should be tested with that. Or bloody AI everything!
Or having the stress of ‘what’s wrong this time’ with every application, worried if they did something wrong, as there is no feedback.
What if they get the job and pubic transport screws it up? What’s the traffic like at unlikable 0 clock in the morning? What if work location is in middle of the river?
(There are 100’s more scenarios my broken brain can think up, but I think it’ll make me ill)
It’s bad enough with the ‘Did I lock the door?’ syndrome kicking in at least 5 times before I go out for a walk, on a stressful first day.. Oh boy.
I have atrocious mental health (bipolar disorder), but I have a good team of doctors and I’m also medicated the last 10 years. My job changed my life. I only work part time but I swear if I didn’t have my job my mental health would be a million times worse.
Now, that’s not the same for everyone who’s unwell. Some people are so mentally or physically unwell that there are very few jobs that could accommodate their needs etc, and those people being *forced* to try and find a job that is completely unsustainable for them is cruel, but that is just *my own* personal experience of having a job and a mental health condition. It’s done me the world of good. I do only work part time, but the money is decent and I work from home. I know a lot of people aren’t that lucky and jobs like mine are few and far between, but yeah, I don’t know if I’d be here today without my job. It gives me a sense of purpose and it’s a fantastic distraction (most days lol)
I think there will inevitably have to be a shift away from expecting everyone to work, and this is just the beginning.
It’s hard enough to secure employment even if you’re qualified, able and actively looking.
What with the advance of AI and businesses outsourcing abroad, what chance do people have. This will only get worse over time.
As someone who is employed but despises work, I hope the future involves allowing people to find and pursue purposes unique to them without the expectation of work.
The constant blaming of jobseekers is misleading. The problem isn’t the people off work, the problem is the employers who aren’t hiring anyone other than ‘the perfect fit’.
If you’ve been off work for over a year, it’s nearly impossible to get hired. If you’ve been off work for a few years, no one is going to hire you. Doesn’t matter what training or motivation that is beaten into UC recipients, employers see that big gap in your CV and say ‘nah’ and go with someone else.
And that’s assuming there are jobs.
Also, I know many people recently released from prison who are desperate for work, will work any job, any hours, any commute, for any pay. And no employer will touch them because they don’t want to risk tarnishing their brand with ex-offenders.
We have an employment culture where unless you meet incredibly narrow and strict criteria, your CV will be thrown into the bin while employers cry about not being able to find ‘the right’ staff.
No its not.
What is worth working for? Should people cause themselves undue harm and stress to make Thames Water executives millions of pounds richer? What about Amazon workers, should they be forced to piss in bottles under threat of ai taking their jobs so Jeff Bezos can rent fucking Venice out as if entire cities are a car.
Politicians have allowed corporations to become dystopian mega-corps who treat people like shit and you’re fucking surprised everyone hates it and no one wants to work.
Give them something to work for? Give them anything that makes the world a little better. Pay them properly. Stop gouging people.
I work because I need to eat, and I’m one of the lucky few to have found my passion.
But let’s be real. My anxiety and depression were CAUSED by interacting with people. Abusive parents, bullying, and workplace sexual assault. Oh, and just the general way society doesn’t accommodate neurodevelopmental conditions. Good luck telling people suffering from this kind of trauma that interacting with people at work is ‘treatment’.
If it weren’t for the fact I found my dream job, I’d potentially be a hermit by now. Or dead.
Tbh as someone who went through two accute mental health crises (depression/ anxiety/ psychosis) – volunteering and then afterwards some work was critical to my recovery.
When you are catatonically unwell it won’t help. However some work gives you structure, purpose, and some healthy stress.
There just needs to be accommodations in place by employers and sensitivities to people returning to work- recognising they may have off days, and the journey may be two steps forward and one back.
But broadly there is sensible rationale in what they are proposing.
Some benefits tied to completing volunteering hours would be a practical solution I can see as a first step.