Ho appena letto un articolo molto interessante in cui si afferma:
“In Germania i migranti lavorano molto meno spesso rispetto ai cittadini autoctoni rispetto ad altri Stati membri dell’OCSE. Secondo l’Organizzazione per la cooperazione e lo sviluppo economico (OCSE) nel suo rapporto annuale sulla migrazione, la percentuale di immigrati occupati in Germania era del 69,6% nel 2024”
„Tra gli immigrati altamente qualificati il ​​divario rispetto ai tedeschi autoctoni era ancora più marcato e ammontava a circa 15 punti percentuali“
“Il rapporto mostra anche che i migranti nei paesi OCSE guadagnano in media il 34% in meno rispetto ai lavoratori autoctoni della stessa età e sesso quando entrano nel mercato del lavoro. In Germania, la differenza è ancora più pronunciata, pari al 43%”
Per favore rispondi onestamente: è vero ed è una fonte di informazioni affidabile? Ci sono prove che mettono in dubbio questo? Se questo è vero, non dovresti abbassare i tuoi standard in base ai requisiti linguistici? Ecco perché è improbabile che le persone dicano quanto guadagnano…
Migrants earn significantly less and are employed less often
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Yes it’s true.
And the most likely explanation is language. In many other OECD members immigrants come from places where the native language is used (I.E. ex colonies), or english is more commonly used in the workplace in those countries.
Germany functions in german only, and there are no typical emigration countries where german is spoken
How are we supposed to to evaluate the source if you don‘t share it with us?
You didnt Share a source but It seems plausible.
But why should i lower my Standards because of it ?
>If that’s true shouldn’t You lower Your standards?Â
Why?
>That’s why people are not likely to say how much they earn…
No.. in germany we just don’t really like to talk or brag about money.
most likely depends on the industry. I haven’t noticed it at all in IT (at least more “modern” IT companies which aren’t ran in German language)
Water is wet
I’m a Ukrainian software engineer with over 10 years experience, I have built so many apps, projects, APIs. Fled the war because my city nearby front line. I have been here since 2024 after mass lay offs in mind geek. Now, i am being offered to work for at least twice less with 50+ percent taxes which means I have to pay to work, income is negative. So far I am getting Bürgergeld because of the job market here, i don’t know German yet, Jobcenter sends me work to apply like a cleaner, lifter at some storage, last time it was a chemical factory etc. which are absolutely irrelevant to my experience, skills and knowledge. I can’t reuse even team management skills.
Yes, I had interviews with EU companies primarily.
>is that true
I think so. Lots of Migrants dont have a job at all or work in simpel jobs, because of bad german language and/or bad education. There are of course exceptions.
>If that’s true shouldn’t You lower Your standards?
Why should we lower our standards? Migrants come to us, to improve their lives. So they need to get to our standard.
>That’s why people are not likely to say how much they earn…
We simply don’t like to talk about our income. It has nothing to do with migrants. Germany is an envious society, and when it comes to income, most people lie anyway.
working in hospital here and we earn actually more than our german coworkers because they acknowledged the previous hospital experience outside Germany.
German job market does this to qualified / skilled / educated EU citizens as well because of the language barrier. When the market couldn’t find what it needed among the natives, things looked promising for non-natives, these days not really. Lots of closet xenophobic people using language as a way to exclude even EU citizens who have the legal right to live and work here, even if you speak German if it is broken you are trash in the eyes of the average German these days and it is getting more and more widespread/acceptable to have this view.
Ever talked to the average migrant? 😂 I say this as a son of Turkish immigrants.
>If that’s true shouldn’t You lower Your standards?
Who is “you”, and which “standards” do you want them to lower?
Ah yes, because when a local gets picked over a clearly more qualified non-EU candidate, it’s *definitely* just EU labor laws at work, not even a *whiff* of latent discrimination. Just good ol’ coincidence, right? And no, this isn’t some sweeping generalization, but let’s not gaslight ourselves into thinking this kind of thing doesn’t exist either.
I’m a highly qualified immigrant in my first job with B2 level German, and can confirm this is true.
Most of us start our careers a couple of steps lower in the career ladder. This has to do with conversational language, work language, differences in work aspects between our home country and here, and lack of familiarity with work culture here.
If I had 10-15 years work experience in another country, we typically start here with roles equivalent to say 5 years of experience.
There is also a possibility that Germany allows migrants to live well enough without employment or allows migrants to work unreported.
I’m not saying it’s those factors. I’m saying such statistics rarely mean anything specific when you even half think about it.
Your still allowed to go back home just saying
I recommend also reading the [Index Gute Arbeit report on migrant work conditions](https://index-gute-arbeit.dgb.de/++co++28b84564-3df6-11ef-b0c4-5f87447e5478).
Story of my life.
Would be crazy if that wouldnt be the case.
Germans can speak german and thus can communicate better. They are also more familiar with laws in Germany. That is an advantage
Yes this is true. Furthermore, Germans put C1 language requirements even for international companies, in order to stop immigrants for applying for these jobs. It’s not a language barrier, you don’t need that high of German knowledge to work in IT, and yet…
Zeit is usually pro migrants and diversity and rather on the left side of political spectrum. If they publish such a survey, I would trust it.
> Please answer honestly: is that true and is it a trustworthy source of information ?  Â
Without conducting another study, it’s not possible to answer this. But it sounds plausible, sure. That’s the reason why the companies want more immigration: cheap labor.  Â
> If that’s true shouldn’t You lower Your standards according to language requirements?  Â
No? How would that help with wages?Â
Yes, super true. They also take advantage of the fact that you may not know the market and labor laws when you first come to Germany. I know many people, myself included, that negotiated low salary for Germany because we didn’t know better at the time and of course the company is not going to tell you that.
I started working in my field at a really low salary. With bad German and foreign qualifications they took a risk on me. After 6 months I got a raise. 6 months later, another. After 3 years im making most than my coworkers and am where I belong. I know another migrant coworker though who’s still pretty low, but he just doesn’t have the background to be able to sell his hours at a higher rate to our consulting customers.
Ah yes age and gender, that what counts not qualifications, experience and how Long are you already working in the Company.