We’re in a difficult situation where most people will willingly admit the internet is dangerous, but at the same time people want privacy. Unfortunately the two things are conflicting.
megaweb on
It’s coming guys…
This is the list we’ll be joining-
China
Russia
Iran
United Arab Emirates
Turkey
Oman
North Korea
Turkmenistan
Belarus
Pakistan
Egypt
EmbarrassedHelp on
This is likely in preparation for targeting VPNs that allow users to bypass UK laws and are accessible in the UK. The UK government may claim otherwise, but their actions speak louder than words.
> This comes after a tech minister, Baroness Lloyd, said in the UK House of Lords that “nothing is off the table” when it comes to protecting children online
Cookyy2k on
Everyone learn how to set up a VPS and do it now. Much harder to track or trace than a VPN and often cheaper too, I pay €2.19 a month for mine.
TheLimeyLemmon on
This law has been a clown show from the beginning. It’s going to drive traffic towards sites with even less regulation and greater vulnerabilities. They really haven’t thought this through.
duckwantbread on
Whilst I’m sure the government would love to know who is using VPNs this headline makes it sound way more sophisticated than it is. My bet would be that they just found a list of IPs that VPNs use and then divided the number of page views that VPNs use by the total pageviews in the UK. The caginess about the methodology for me is more likely to be Ofcom knowing their methodology is crap (meaning their 1.5 million claim is also likely crap) rather them having somehow bypassed the privacy VPNs are meant to bring.
Quick-Exit-5601 on
Famously if government claims there’s nothing to worry about, then there’s nothing to worry about, and if you say otherwise you’re a conspiracy theorist /s.
Jokes aside, if they wanted to ban VPNs, then next step is onion networks.
We *do not* want people to access these parts of Internet.
At the moment only a miniscule number of people browse these parts, meaning that monitoring, while difficult is not impossible.
Increase that by a tenfold, and due to complexity of onion networks, it becomes near impossible to track any given user.
Add to that much greater availability of cryptocurrencies, and we are looking at a *serious* problem. Much more serious than anything OSA prevented in the first place.
egg1st on
If the aim is to ensure under 18s can’t easily gain access to adult material online, then in addition to the current controls make it a requirement to pay for any VPN for with a credit card.
EffectzHD on
People are thinking too much. they’ll just make VPN’s 18+ with ID, and will justify it as what reason is there for a minor to have one?
Guinni on
So many security tools which cover threat detection have native ways to detect if an IP is part of a VPN service, TOR or other categories such as botnets. If you work in a company which has any security function they’ll likely be using one.
This isn’t novel and I doubt they weren’t doing it before the law came into place anyways.
I hope I’m right in doubting that they’ll ban VPNs, since that will cause all party donors (aka large companies) to flip their shit. Maybe they’ll try and get pushed back or alternatively try to ban those that they cannot issue warrants to (I.e. those in privacy respecting countries and/or those that on purposely don’t retain logs).
Either way, it’s not cool and I’d rather not have to deal with the speed of TOR if it comes down to it.
Flaky_Salamander2460 on
If they ban VPNs, people aren’t gonna stop wanting privacy — they’ll just switch to TOR. And that’s way more dangerous long-term than letting people use VPNs legally.
HungreeRunner on
‘Its to protect the kids’
How many ‘kids’ are signing up to a VPN subscription? I estimate very, very few.
They’re using kids as an excuse to throw more control..fuck em
lickswaffles on
Gonna have a look to see if star link is bound by the laws of Britain or if because it’s satellite it’s a free for all and possibly invest in a set up
THPSJimbles on
Isn’t this just a nothing article? “no current plans to ban the use of VPNs”. Even if they did, there’s plenty of ways around that too!
JackStrawWitchita on
They won’t ban VPNs for businesses, they’ll just create a licencing system. Those who sign up, pay the corporate fees and jump through the security hoops will be allowed to access VPNs. But everyone else will be banned.
They know the OSA is a massive failure and instead of admitting it they’re following the maga custom of doubling down on stupidity and enacting even more draconian surveillance threats to personal freedom.
Just imagine what Farage and his jack booted thugs will do with the authoritarian population control Labour is handing him once Reform wins the next election…
ozyri on
LOL. It’s a Yes/No monitoring.
The answer is Yes. No need to spend money on monitoring that.
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VPNs were always going to be targeted eventually.
We’re in a difficult situation where most people will willingly admit the internet is dangerous, but at the same time people want privacy. Unfortunately the two things are conflicting.
It’s coming guys…
This is the list we’ll be joining-
China
Russia
Iran
United Arab Emirates
Turkey
Oman
North Korea
Turkmenistan
Belarus
Pakistan
Egypt
This is likely in preparation for targeting VPNs that allow users to bypass UK laws and are accessible in the UK. The UK government may claim otherwise, but their actions speak louder than words.
> This comes after a tech minister, Baroness Lloyd, said in the UK House of Lords that “nothing is off the table” when it comes to protecting children online
Everyone learn how to set up a VPS and do it now. Much harder to track or trace than a VPN and often cheaper too, I pay €2.19 a month for mine.
This law has been a clown show from the beginning. It’s going to drive traffic towards sites with even less regulation and greater vulnerabilities. They really haven’t thought this through.
Whilst I’m sure the government would love to know who is using VPNs this headline makes it sound way more sophisticated than it is. My bet would be that they just found a list of IPs that VPNs use and then divided the number of page views that VPNs use by the total pageviews in the UK. The caginess about the methodology for me is more likely to be Ofcom knowing their methodology is crap (meaning their 1.5 million claim is also likely crap) rather them having somehow bypassed the privacy VPNs are meant to bring.
Famously if government claims there’s nothing to worry about, then there’s nothing to worry about, and if you say otherwise you’re a conspiracy theorist /s.
Jokes aside, if they wanted to ban VPNs, then next step is onion networks.
We *do not* want people to access these parts of Internet.
At the moment only a miniscule number of people browse these parts, meaning that monitoring, while difficult is not impossible.
Increase that by a tenfold, and due to complexity of onion networks, it becomes near impossible to track any given user.
Add to that much greater availability of cryptocurrencies, and we are looking at a *serious* problem. Much more serious than anything OSA prevented in the first place.
If the aim is to ensure under 18s can’t easily gain access to adult material online, then in addition to the current controls make it a requirement to pay for any VPN for with a credit card.
People are thinking too much. they’ll just make VPN’s 18+ with ID, and will justify it as what reason is there for a minor to have one?
So many security tools which cover threat detection have native ways to detect if an IP is part of a VPN service, TOR or other categories such as botnets. If you work in a company which has any security function they’ll likely be using one.
This isn’t novel and I doubt they weren’t doing it before the law came into place anyways.
I hope I’m right in doubting that they’ll ban VPNs, since that will cause all party donors (aka large companies) to flip their shit. Maybe they’ll try and get pushed back or alternatively try to ban those that they cannot issue warrants to (I.e. those in privacy respecting countries and/or those that on purposely don’t retain logs).
Either way, it’s not cool and I’d rather not have to deal with the speed of TOR if it comes down to it.
If they ban VPNs, people aren’t gonna stop wanting privacy — they’ll just switch to TOR. And that’s way more dangerous long-term than letting people use VPNs legally.
‘Its to protect the kids’
How many ‘kids’ are signing up to a VPN subscription? I estimate very, very few.
They’re using kids as an excuse to throw more control..fuck em
Gonna have a look to see if star link is bound by the laws of Britain or if because it’s satellite it’s a free for all and possibly invest in a set up
Isn’t this just a nothing article? “no current plans to ban the use of VPNs”. Even if they did, there’s plenty of ways around that too!
They won’t ban VPNs for businesses, they’ll just create a licencing system. Those who sign up, pay the corporate fees and jump through the security hoops will be allowed to access VPNs. But everyone else will be banned.
They know the OSA is a massive failure and instead of admitting it they’re following the maga custom of doubling down on stupidity and enacting even more draconian surveillance threats to personal freedom.
Just imagine what Farage and his jack booted thugs will do with the authoritarian population control Labour is handing him once Reform wins the next election…
LOL. It’s a Yes/No monitoring.
The answer is Yes. No need to spend money on monitoring that.
No respectful VPN keeps session data at all.