Hugely skewed towards no degree. Also not earning large amounts, mostly.
And yet if Reform wins it’s likely to benefit the well off.
Where have I seen this before.
Freethinker360 on
Isn’t Farge a lier? The UK have been lied to for Brextit to happen and now it’s all forgotten..
TwentyCharactersShor on
The insane? The delusional? Those utterly tired of the same old shite?
It is truly a mystery!
NotoriousP_U_G on
No surprises at all, it is working people that are most affected by immigration, older people and some contrarian youth. The party is divided on other issues but united by opposition to asylum/immigration, which is to be expected for a basically single issue party. Of course they mention other policies, but the isn’t what people that support reform pay attention to.
It would be a surprise if the answer was London based black women overwhelmingly support reform due to their policy on green energy.
Turbo_Baggins on
“One of the biggest tensions is between the working right, who generally are found in poorer towns and in northern constituencies, and hardline conservatives found in wealthier southern seats.”
This is exactly the same split the tories had during the brexit negotiations. The two different voting bases will get behind one key issue like brexit and then completely fall apart once something else becomes the main focus. It’s not possible to keep both happy long-term
qwerty_1965 on
The saw of the Clinton campaign in 1992 holds as true as ever.
It’s the economy, stupid.
A big chunk of the Reform support just wants to feel like the future is not one of poverty (real or imagined cos both matter).
TheFergPunk on
> Working right
> 26% of people who intend to vote Reform
> Economically insecure and angry, these older working-age voters mix pro-worker attitudes with hostility towards immigration.
Considering Reform voted against the employment rights bill at every possible stage they could, I imagine the hostility towards immigration is outweighing their “pro-workers attitude”.
Boogaaa on
>Hardline Conservatives. They oppose workers’ rights and state spending
The article does say that these people only make up 18% of those polled, but why the buggering fuck would _anyone_ be against workers rights? You’ve got to be a horrible bastard or benefiting off the “little people” and keeping them down, so… still a horrible bastard.
trim3log on
I just want Boris Wave Gone, Ukraininas, Hong Kong etc can stay. We cant take more 3rd worlders in its just not fair.
I am not a povo or dim i guess Gaurdian call me Squeezed stewards
mark71hy on
Sad comments here basically calling people they may know all sort but then I’m not surprised as easy to bag people without facing them
Independent-Try-3463 on
The same people who voted for trump, people fed up with their government and feel alienated by their policies and actions, it shouldn’t spur them to go for outright nationalism and extreme rhetoric but when youre fed up with something, anything that grants you some reprieve is desirable. The same way the German workers party won their election, when people are fed up they need someone to blame and a certain painter came to the podium and said “youre in this mess for a reason, ill fix it, and here’s who you shall blame”. The complexities of politics are misunderstood by many and politicians use this to their advantage to virtue signal to their target demographic whilst sneaking in their own agenda and can easily turn a country extremist if they get them angry enough.
Isn’t it interesting how none of these sensational media sites like gb news verify that how they perceive an event is true? No they outright make “factual statements” a Scottish girl was arrested and my first thought wasnt “theyre persecuting the natives and rewarding the illegals” it was “how true is that narrative? What actually happened?” Yeah this girl was out in public with 2 dangerous weapons.. the man tried to point it out to authorities because knife crime is quite common amongst teens.. even preteens, he started to record her for evidence and they took that and twisted it to mean “aye there she goes young lass! Queen boudicca ressurected! Fights for her homeland she does!, shes a brave warrior she is!” If it were a british man calling her out and saying “show me the knife” this would be completely differing but instead of course the immigrant is a pedophile stalking this poor innocent girl
Nuance and critical thought are extinct it seems
Pandita666 on
The poorest people often live with more of the problems including immigration driven problems – so they feel and see the impact of the Boris wave more – hence leafy glades residents being all for something they don’t really have experience of. Labelling them as ‘stupid so they vote Reform’ is pretty disgusting and everyone is allowed to vote as they see fit.
bars_and_plates on
I have a general feeling that the left as a whole can’t engage with the actual viewpoints of a reasonably large section of the voting population and so choose to just sort of ignore it.
In a basic sense, voters in lower immigration areas are likely to vote against immigration because they don’t want it – they prefer Norfolk to Luton and they feel that the best way to stop that kind of change is to prevent it getting a foothold.
They don’t want Selby (97% white) to turn into Newham (30%).
I think that to the left it’s kind of just – why would you care if your neighbourhood is white or not, why would you care if your neighbour shares your cultural values.
It’s baffling. I think they just see it as being dirty racism and can’t move past that. So they feel like it must just be some sort of uneducated thing to “train” people out of, rather than a valid viewpoint to engage with and come up with a reasonable compromise on.
edit: Someone responded to this but the comment was deleted, my response would be along the lines of – there is a distinction between having a few neighbours who are different, and “suddenly” finding yourself the minority ethnic group in your own country. There is predictive power in this, anyone who travels enough and actually speaks to locals will realise that people of different nationalities are socialised differently and are different. Race is, granted, not the best proxy for this, but it’s all we have because people aren’t walking around with their flag and schooling on their forehead.
Etchelf-R on
I dont trust Farage as far as I could throw David Lammy ..
But I don’t trust Keirs version of Labour either.. nor Kemis version of Tories.. or Zach’s Greens..
I don’t trust Politicians in general tbh, they’re busy in their guilded towers playing politics whilst the rest of us get reemed for all we’re worth to pay for their luxuries.
Safe-Avocado4864 on
Am I missing something, how are 10% of Reform’s ‘contrarian youth’ cohort aged 55+, hell the 35% aged 35-54 seems to be stretching ‘youth’ as a descriptor.
Sinkrim on
It’s just people who understand that mass migration from the third world is obviously a disastrous political choice to make. Essentially a single issue party, and rightly so.
BroodLord1962 on
A lot on the left love to scream that Reform are just about immigration, but if people actually look at Reforms other policies on their site, they will see that out of all the other parties, they have the most policies nailed down, along with the Green party. For too long now people have had a two party option and nothing has really changed. People have been ignored time and time again, and lied to, so while Reform may well bring some things people won’t agree with, a lot of people are starting to say, ‘Well could they really be any worse than what we have had for the past 20 or 30 years.’
Stratix on
Everyone but affluent conservatives would get fucked by Reform. NHS, benefits, worker protections and environmental regulations would all be stripped back.
TheRealCostaS on
I’ve seen a very liberal left sided friend go from Corbyn’s Labour to saying he will vote reform. Don’t know if he’s serious or not but he has changed a lot of his recent views. I could never vote for a foreign funded party like them, but then I’m against most of the current political set up which is put in place to divide and conquer.
Weird-Statistician on
“Economically insecure and angry”
Look, I know we all like bashing Nigel and Co, but if you’ve grown up under Labour, Tory, Labour governments in the last 25 years and you are still skint and feel ignored, why would you vote for one of them again (if you are blaming the government for your current situation as is the fashion)?
Succotash-suffer on
I support them.
It’s hard to support them as they’re far from perfect, I support them as a pressure vote to the big two. Hopefully it will wake them up.
My hometown was 85% white just 20 years ago, now it is 35% white and declining. I grew up in a class room that was probably 70% white and it was a nice mix of cultures and I have many none white friends.
My nephew goes to a school that has 4 white children in a class of 26. Immigration has gone too far for me. It’s also the class of people that have come here, it used to be a working class area but people worked. Now, it seems like nobody works.
raven43122 on
You keep kicking the country around and they will continue to want radical change.
Labour got in power on this ticket. “Anyone but another 4 years of the tories”
Now Labour are just as useless people will go even more radical.
Trumps first election win should have been the warning. People called his supporters thick, lazy, and racist. How that work out?
You don’t listen to the people you push them into drastic decisions
Rimbo90 on
We should put retirement age up to 75 now. But there’s not enough jobs anyway because the likes of Bezos needed to destroy all the small businesses and automate everything out of existence so he could zoom zoom into space.
Diligent-Rule4109 on
Looking at all the comments here my guess is people who vote reform are sick and tired of ‘smart’ people telling them they’re dumb.
explorerazure on
Literally all labour has to do is get a grip of (illegal) immigration and that’ll be enough for Reform not to win
Mister_Sith on
The more I think about it there more I’m coming to the conclusion people have either lost faith in the establishment entirely or have become too used to that instant gratification they get in other parts of their lives that can’t be found in modern politics. ‘Radical change’ is the buzzword of the day but how does that happen without something short of a revolution or complete break from the international community?
If I had a pound for everytime the phrase ‘parliament is sovereign’ was said on reddit I wouldn’t need to work. Reform supporters in particular want a ‘radical fix’ to ‘securing our borders’ and think it’s as simple as dumping illegal immigrants back onto French shores. Its a solution that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny because its state sanctioned trafficking. Once they’ve left French waters thats it, they’re in our waters. As far as I’m aware, (and im happy to be corrected) there is no ‘international’ waters between us.
Do people seriously think France won’t be a bit miffed if we drop people back off on their beaches without permission? Do you ever think France would ever give permission without heavy concessions? How far do you think we will get with threatening them?
This is usually the point where reform voters suggest we leave maritime treaties and ditch our laws on saving people in distress at sea, or better still think you can order the Royal Navy to shoot unarmed people on dinghys. We’ve just stopped sharing intelligence with the US because they’ve been drone striking alleged drug smuggling boats. What do you think the rest of the world would do if we started doing that?
I just think reform voters live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to ‘solutions’ to dealing with the boat people, and it completely neglects the fact its a minority of illegal immigration – the majority of which were visa overstays until the home office stopped recording statistics in 2020.
Parliament is sovereign, but not free from consequences of their actions on the international stage. Threatening France or otherwise infringing on their sovereignty (or that of other nations) is a good way to become politically isolated very quickly.
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Hugely skewed towards no degree. Also not earning large amounts, mostly.
And yet if Reform wins it’s likely to benefit the well off.
Where have I seen this before.
Isn’t Farge a lier? The UK have been lied to for Brextit to happen and now it’s all forgotten..
The insane? The delusional? Those utterly tired of the same old shite?
It is truly a mystery!
No surprises at all, it is working people that are most affected by immigration, older people and some contrarian youth. The party is divided on other issues but united by opposition to asylum/immigration, which is to be expected for a basically single issue party. Of course they mention other policies, but the isn’t what people that support reform pay attention to.
It would be a surprise if the answer was London based black women overwhelmingly support reform due to their policy on green energy.
“One of the biggest tensions is between the working right, who generally are found in poorer towns and in northern constituencies, and hardline conservatives found in wealthier southern seats.”
This is exactly the same split the tories had during the brexit negotiations. The two different voting bases will get behind one key issue like brexit and then completely fall apart once something else becomes the main focus. It’s not possible to keep both happy long-term
The saw of the Clinton campaign in 1992 holds as true as ever.
It’s the economy, stupid.
A big chunk of the Reform support just wants to feel like the future is not one of poverty (real or imagined cos both matter).
> Working right
> 26% of people who intend to vote Reform
> Economically insecure and angry, these older working-age voters mix pro-worker attitudes with hostility towards immigration.
Considering Reform voted against the employment rights bill at every possible stage they could, I imagine the hostility towards immigration is outweighing their “pro-workers attitude”.
>Hardline Conservatives. They oppose workers’ rights and state spending
The article does say that these people only make up 18% of those polled, but why the buggering fuck would _anyone_ be against workers rights? You’ve got to be a horrible bastard or benefiting off the “little people” and keeping them down, so… still a horrible bastard.
I just want Boris Wave Gone, Ukraininas, Hong Kong etc can stay. We cant take more 3rd worlders in its just not fair.
I am not a povo or dim i guess Gaurdian call me Squeezed stewards
Sad comments here basically calling people they may know all sort but then I’m not surprised as easy to bag people without facing them
The same people who voted for trump, people fed up with their government and feel alienated by their policies and actions, it shouldn’t spur them to go for outright nationalism and extreme rhetoric but when youre fed up with something, anything that grants you some reprieve is desirable. The same way the German workers party won their election, when people are fed up they need someone to blame and a certain painter came to the podium and said “youre in this mess for a reason, ill fix it, and here’s who you shall blame”. The complexities of politics are misunderstood by many and politicians use this to their advantage to virtue signal to their target demographic whilst sneaking in their own agenda and can easily turn a country extremist if they get them angry enough.
Isn’t it interesting how none of these sensational media sites like gb news verify that how they perceive an event is true? No they outright make “factual statements” a Scottish girl was arrested and my first thought wasnt “theyre persecuting the natives and rewarding the illegals” it was “how true is that narrative? What actually happened?” Yeah this girl was out in public with 2 dangerous weapons.. the man tried to point it out to authorities because knife crime is quite common amongst teens.. even preteens, he started to record her for evidence and they took that and twisted it to mean “aye there she goes young lass! Queen boudicca ressurected! Fights for her homeland she does!, shes a brave warrior she is!” If it were a british man calling her out and saying “show me the knife” this would be completely differing but instead of course the immigrant is a pedophile stalking this poor innocent girl
Nuance and critical thought are extinct it seems
The poorest people often live with more of the problems including immigration driven problems – so they feel and see the impact of the Boris wave more – hence leafy glades residents being all for something they don’t really have experience of. Labelling them as ‘stupid so they vote Reform’ is pretty disgusting and everyone is allowed to vote as they see fit.
I have a general feeling that the left as a whole can’t engage with the actual viewpoints of a reasonably large section of the voting population and so choose to just sort of ignore it.
In a basic sense, voters in lower immigration areas are likely to vote against immigration because they don’t want it – they prefer Norfolk to Luton and they feel that the best way to stop that kind of change is to prevent it getting a foothold.
They don’t want Selby (97% white) to turn into Newham (30%).
I think that to the left it’s kind of just – why would you care if your neighbourhood is white or not, why would you care if your neighbour shares your cultural values.
It’s baffling. I think they just see it as being dirty racism and can’t move past that. So they feel like it must just be some sort of uneducated thing to “train” people out of, rather than a valid viewpoint to engage with and come up with a reasonable compromise on.
edit: Someone responded to this but the comment was deleted, my response would be along the lines of – there is a distinction between having a few neighbours who are different, and “suddenly” finding yourself the minority ethnic group in your own country. There is predictive power in this, anyone who travels enough and actually speaks to locals will realise that people of different nationalities are socialised differently and are different. Race is, granted, not the best proxy for this, but it’s all we have because people aren’t walking around with their flag and schooling on their forehead.
I dont trust Farage as far as I could throw David Lammy ..
But I don’t trust Keirs version of Labour either.. nor Kemis version of Tories.. or Zach’s Greens..
I don’t trust Politicians in general tbh, they’re busy in their guilded towers playing politics whilst the rest of us get reemed for all we’re worth to pay for their luxuries.
Am I missing something, how are 10% of Reform’s ‘contrarian youth’ cohort aged 55+, hell the 35% aged 35-54 seems to be stretching ‘youth’ as a descriptor.
It’s just people who understand that mass migration from the third world is obviously a disastrous political choice to make. Essentially a single issue party, and rightly so.
A lot on the left love to scream that Reform are just about immigration, but if people actually look at Reforms other policies on their site, they will see that out of all the other parties, they have the most policies nailed down, along with the Green party. For too long now people have had a two party option and nothing has really changed. People have been ignored time and time again, and lied to, so while Reform may well bring some things people won’t agree with, a lot of people are starting to say, ‘Well could they really be any worse than what we have had for the past 20 or 30 years.’
Everyone but affluent conservatives would get fucked by Reform. NHS, benefits, worker protections and environmental regulations would all be stripped back.
I’ve seen a very liberal left sided friend go from Corbyn’s Labour to saying he will vote reform. Don’t know if he’s serious or not but he has changed a lot of his recent views. I could never vote for a foreign funded party like them, but then I’m against most of the current political set up which is put in place to divide and conquer.
“Economically insecure and angry”
Look, I know we all like bashing Nigel and Co, but if you’ve grown up under Labour, Tory, Labour governments in the last 25 years and you are still skint and feel ignored, why would you vote for one of them again (if you are blaming the government for your current situation as is the fashion)?
I support them.
It’s hard to support them as they’re far from perfect, I support them as a pressure vote to the big two. Hopefully it will wake them up.
My hometown was 85% white just 20 years ago, now it is 35% white and declining. I grew up in a class room that was probably 70% white and it was a nice mix of cultures and I have many none white friends.
My nephew goes to a school that has 4 white children in a class of 26. Immigration has gone too far for me. It’s also the class of people that have come here, it used to be a working class area but people worked. Now, it seems like nobody works.
You keep kicking the country around and they will continue to want radical change.
Labour got in power on this ticket. “Anyone but another 4 years of the tories”
Now Labour are just as useless people will go even more radical.
Trumps first election win should have been the warning. People called his supporters thick, lazy, and racist. How that work out?
You don’t listen to the people you push them into drastic decisions
We should put retirement age up to 75 now. But there’s not enough jobs anyway because the likes of Bezos needed to destroy all the small businesses and automate everything out of existence so he could zoom zoom into space.
Looking at all the comments here my guess is people who vote reform are sick and tired of ‘smart’ people telling them they’re dumb.
Literally all labour has to do is get a grip of (illegal) immigration and that’ll be enough for Reform not to win
The more I think about it there more I’m coming to the conclusion people have either lost faith in the establishment entirely or have become too used to that instant gratification they get in other parts of their lives that can’t be found in modern politics. ‘Radical change’ is the buzzword of the day but how does that happen without something short of a revolution or complete break from the international community?
If I had a pound for everytime the phrase ‘parliament is sovereign’ was said on reddit I wouldn’t need to work. Reform supporters in particular want a ‘radical fix’ to ‘securing our borders’ and think it’s as simple as dumping illegal immigrants back onto French shores. Its a solution that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny because its state sanctioned trafficking. Once they’ve left French waters thats it, they’re in our waters. As far as I’m aware, (and im happy to be corrected) there is no ‘international’ waters between us.
Do people seriously think France won’t be a bit miffed if we drop people back off on their beaches without permission? Do you ever think France would ever give permission without heavy concessions? How far do you think we will get with threatening them?
This is usually the point where reform voters suggest we leave maritime treaties and ditch our laws on saving people in distress at sea, or better still think you can order the Royal Navy to shoot unarmed people on dinghys. We’ve just stopped sharing intelligence with the US because they’ve been drone striking alleged drug smuggling boats. What do you think the rest of the world would do if we started doing that?
I just think reform voters live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to ‘solutions’ to dealing with the boat people, and it completely neglects the fact its a minority of illegal immigration – the majority of which were visa overstays until the home office stopped recording statistics in 2020.
Parliament is sovereign, but not free from consequences of their actions on the international stage. Threatening France or otherwise infringing on their sovereignty (or that of other nations) is a good way to become politically isolated very quickly.