Ridiculous.
I’d love to hear from someone in the public justify this.
Desperate_Caramel_10 on
Rich to see some boomer complaining that doctors are breaking the Hippocratic oath yet the boomers tore up the social contract years ago. Funnel all the money into unproductive assets like housing and no CGT on primary residence sales (lol) and then wonder why doctors begin withholding their labour.
AdBusiness1798 on
This is what happens when you take the p1ss out of your workforce for year after year. Eventually, all good will is lost and things come to a boil. The Tories have a lot to answer for.
So saying, the Dr’s, while I can appreciate they have a grievance, need to read the room.
This country is ‘lucky’ that much was done to undermine the unions, or many other workforces would be adopting a similar stance (and with perhaps better justification).
On the other hand, maybe if we had strong unions we wouldn’t be in this mess to start with.
JamesZ650 on
They need to understand if this government won’t give them what they want, you can guarantee the next one won’t. They won’t get a better offer than what Labour have given them.
HelpImAShark on
A large part of the reason that they’re striking isn’t about pay, it’s about job oppertunities & working conditions. There aren’t enough training grade posts in most hospital trusts to support the amount of doctors that are applying. These doctors are coming out of 6 years of med school with a mountain of debt, having to fight their way through a 2 year foundation programme, and then ultimately might not be able to further their career afterwards because there aren’t enough posts for them.
The two years they spend as foundation doctors are difficult too, often they are given the worst jobs and are ultimately just thrown in at the deep end all whilst being expected to maintain a portfolio that effectively boils down to a tick box exercise.
We are always hearing about staff shortages in the NHS, and this is true, but it’s not because there aren’t enough doctors/nurses/physiotherapists/pharmacists etc. It’s because the governement aren’t doing enough to support the NHS Trusts to grow their training programmes and actually hire these highly skilled & capable workers.
I should add, I’m not a doctor nor a healthcare profressional at all, but I work in a Medical Education Team in a large teaching Trust so speak to a lot of young doctors.
Straight-Link9389 on
Just want to provide my two cents on the current thought process amongst current med student – I personally won’t be staying in the UK once I qualify unless things dramatically change and I already know of others on mg course who are already thinking the same thing.
Mammoth_Classroom626 on
Figure 6: shows the difference between doctor pay, nurse pay and other private and public sector pay.
Figure 1 shows where that pay rise actually put resident doctors – they’re still below. The pay rise took them still below to where they were in 2020. It doesn’t restore the earnings loss since 2010. Which you’ll note other jobs didn’t see the same loss.
No one is saying doctors are special. The irony is they’re still paid less – that’s just how bad the pay erosion was people think it’s a huge number.
Because I know we’ll get the usual mouth breathers saying how everyone is underpaid. When all the data is available and no not to the same level – and private sector is above inflation even.
OilAdministrative197 on
Solidarity man, if we don’t pay and keep our British doctors what’s even the point of having a country. They’ve had to be on top of their game since they were probably 16 and they save lives.
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Ridiculous.
I’d love to hear from someone in the public justify this.
Rich to see some boomer complaining that doctors are breaking the Hippocratic oath yet the boomers tore up the social contract years ago. Funnel all the money into unproductive assets like housing and no CGT on primary residence sales (lol) and then wonder why doctors begin withholding their labour.
This is what happens when you take the p1ss out of your workforce for year after year. Eventually, all good will is lost and things come to a boil. The Tories have a lot to answer for.
So saying, the Dr’s, while I can appreciate they have a grievance, need to read the room.
This country is ‘lucky’ that much was done to undermine the unions, or many other workforces would be adopting a similar stance (and with perhaps better justification).
On the other hand, maybe if we had strong unions we wouldn’t be in this mess to start with.
They need to understand if this government won’t give them what they want, you can guarantee the next one won’t. They won’t get a better offer than what Labour have given them.
A large part of the reason that they’re striking isn’t about pay, it’s about job oppertunities & working conditions. There aren’t enough training grade posts in most hospital trusts to support the amount of doctors that are applying. These doctors are coming out of 6 years of med school with a mountain of debt, having to fight their way through a 2 year foundation programme, and then ultimately might not be able to further their career afterwards because there aren’t enough posts for them.
The two years they spend as foundation doctors are difficult too, often they are given the worst jobs and are ultimately just thrown in at the deep end all whilst being expected to maintain a portfolio that effectively boils down to a tick box exercise.
We are always hearing about staff shortages in the NHS, and this is true, but it’s not because there aren’t enough doctors/nurses/physiotherapists/pharmacists etc. It’s because the governement aren’t doing enough to support the NHS Trusts to grow their training programmes and actually hire these highly skilled & capable workers.
I should add, I’m not a doctor nor a healthcare profressional at all, but I work in a Medical Education Team in a large teaching Trust so speak to a lot of young doctors.
Just want to provide my two cents on the current thought process amongst current med student – I personally won’t be staying in the UK once I qualify unless things dramatically change and I already know of others on mg course who are already thinking the same thing.
Figure 6: shows the difference between doctor pay, nurse pay and other private and public sector pay.
https://ifs.org.uk/publications/recent-trends-public-sector-pay
Doctors had a huge pay cut by 2023.
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/exploring-the-earnings-of-nhs-doctors-in-england-2025-update
Figure 1 shows where that pay rise actually put resident doctors – they’re still below. The pay rise took them still below to where they were in 2020. It doesn’t restore the earnings loss since 2010. Which you’ll note other jobs didn’t see the same loss.
No one is saying doctors are special. The irony is they’re still paid less – that’s just how bad the pay erosion was people think it’s a huge number.
Because I know we’ll get the usual mouth breathers saying how everyone is underpaid. When all the data is available and no not to the same level – and private sector is above inflation even.
Solidarity man, if we don’t pay and keep our British doctors what’s even the point of having a country. They’ve had to be on top of their game since they were probably 16 and they save lives.
[Streeting was quite strong on the issue today on LBC](https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/wes-streeting-clashes-resident-doctor-5HjdMq2_2/)
May they get all of their demands!
Teachers next please.
Good for them.
If they want real power they should strike for a longer sustained period though.
6weeks of sustained strikes would probably be long enough to collapse all opposition