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    1. TurpentineEnjoyer on

      I really don’t care when fictional worlds based on medieval British/European folklore gets diversified for a modern audience. It’s fiction, after all.

      Doing it with actual history though gives me a major ick.

    2. Owzwills on

      We discuss rightly the danger of Fake news, but that Fake news will become Fake history eventually. This Fake history is equally as dangerous. This is fake history no matter which way you cut it.

    3. Sensitive_Echo5058 on

      “When the idea was initially conceived in 2021, the creative team behind the work released a video stating: “We’re proud to bring together some of Scotland’s leading archaeologists, with a host of queer, marginalised and disabled voices to dispel misconceptions of the past.”

      A genetic study published in 2023 found that the Picts – who were concentrated in north-east Scotland – were descended from ancient Iron Age populations who had long lived in Britain.

      The same study also found that there was clear genetic continuity between the Picts and modern-day Scots in the same region.”

      We shouldn’t allow people to invent a history that did not exist to fit contemporary social narratives. The stories involving ancient Black people that are likely most interesting and factual are those relating to continental Africans.

    4. FloydEGag on

      Does it matter that Scotland or anywhere else was or wasn’t racially diverse a couple of thousand years ago? What matters is now, surely. I know it’s helpful to know that our society has been multiracial (albeit on a smaller scale than in the last 100 years or so) for a long time but there’s no need to just make stuff up; surely later finding out the Picts were not black would be upsetting to a black kid who had read this and believed they were?

      There’s plenty of evidence of black Britons in the past, just not *that* long ago and not in that area. But this is like claiming there were white people in South Africa two thousand years ago. I get it’s done with good intentions but it’s not very educational if it’s incorrect, is it?

    5. PunkAintNotFun on

      Absolutely ridiculous, fictional worlds absolutely fine but this is part of our history

    6. People of different races *did* find their way to Britain occasionally throughout history, but those were individuals, traveling traders and ship crew members and the like.

      The core population of Britain throughout history has mainly come from waves of migration from Scandinavia, where limited sunlight ensures any long term population trends towards lighter skin.

    7. Living-Log-3537 on

      ‘Cultural misappropriation’ is a phrase well known, but not at the Telegraph, apparently.

    8. CheesyBakedLobster on

      Just don’t buy the book? We don’t need censorship into children’s books.

    9. ScreamOfVengeance on

      Are you saying that Picts were white and not black? Do we have any evidence for either position or are we just going to go with assumptions?
      Presumably the first people to get to north Europe would have been quite dark.

    10. 99thLuftballon on

      > The book also claimed that “Britain has been a mostly white country for a lot less time than it has been a mostly black country”.

      Is there any evidence to suggest this? I would’ve thought that, as a cold, northern European country, we would’ve evolved to be as white as every other northern European country. Not mention being invaded by the Romans, Vikings, Saxons, Normans etc – all of whom would’ve been of European origin. The Moors didn’t make it as far as Britain.

      I’d be curious to know the source of this claim, just out of academic interest.

    11. I really wonder what goes on in these peoples minds to do this? Like why?

    12. How about teaching some African other cultures history rather than doing that 😅

    13. forgottenendeavours on

      I was reading about skin colour recently, and a thing I learned which seems relevant here is that skin colour is, ultimately, a local adaptation formed (or eased) in response to amount of UV radiation around. What that means is that although in the gen-on-gen term skin colour is something dictated by the parent’s genes, over the term of dozens of generations, skin colour is dictated by local necessity. It’s reckoned that about 100 generations / 2000 years is all it takes to turn a fully black population fully white, which is within the timescope of the settlers this article discusses.

      So, this all said, I think it’s maybe worth asking the question here of “actually, were they?”. I don’t have an answer (genuinely, the only thing I know about Picts is that they were the people who built all the in-loch islands in Scotland, which was very kind of them, since it’s created excellent habitat for ospreys), but I suspect that whatever the consensus answer is is probably a little greyer than the Telegraph are letting on with this little bit of ragebait.

    14. Ryanhussain14 on

      Is anyone with immigrant heritage actually impressed by this nonsense? My ancestors spent generations in Bangladesh and my parents were the first in my family lineage to migrate to the UK. I’m not ashamed by this, I think integrating and assimilating into another culture is a normal part of life. I feel and believe I am British because I like the country and its culture and am willing to be a productive and law abiding citizen and receive the goodwill of my neighbours. I don’t need some historical revisionism to feel more British, that just feels insulting.

    15. tothecatmobile on

      It’s a guide book for a table top role playing game.

      Do we really care that our table top role playing games aren’t 100% historically accurate and reflects the intended audience more than the setting its based on?

      Because if so, you guys are going to *hate* dungeons and dragons.

    16. Euclid_Interloper on

      I’m sure the occasional black or brown merchant or slave made it up the coast of Scotland along trade routes. Especially when the Roams were in Britain. But it would have been EXCEPTIONALLY rare and probably quite the local event.

      The idea that the Picts were rocking about with the demographics of modern Birmingham’s is pretty damn funny.

    17. it’s a children’s book

      they have talking animals, for god’s sake

    18. honkballs on

      I helped my 8 year old niece with her homework the other night.

      All 3 books didn’t have a single white person in them, it was all either black or brown families… she goes to a small village school which is 100% white.

      It feels they’ve tried so hard to be “inclusive”, they’ve ended up excluding the majority of the population and is rather ridiculous.

    19. Thatweasel on

      After looking it up, this is a system agnostic setting book for a TTRPG where ghosts, magic, spirits and monsters are all assumed real. Describing it as a ‘children’s book’ is incredibly dishonest. Almost every illustration I can see depicts light skinned people – and we know at the time there were significant dark skinned population in britain (the romans described the welsh tribes as ‘swarthy’ and compared them to the spanish for example).

      [https://carvedinstone.scot/](https://carvedinstone.scot/)

      Complete non story.

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