Soon enough it will be officially recommended on trans people the way this country is going
emmmmmmaja on
My guess would be because it is hard to argue against the legality of something adults choose to do out of their own free will.
I think it is harmful, pointless and just all around awful, but so are many other things that are legal.
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ElCaminoInTheWest on
Because it’s ludicrously hard to prevent people holding and expressing different views on sexuality, for one thing. You can’t just unilaterally ban those opinions that you find personally unpleasant or misguided.
Whether there’s a way to prevent people being pushed or coerced towards these views is another story.
Lady-Maya on
Because any Conversion Therapy ban would have to include a Trans Conversion Therapy ban as-well, as all the LGBT+ right organisations would have an outcry (rightly so), otherwise we get the same as when Johnson? Tried a Trans Exclusive ban a few years ago.
However the government are basically making Trans Conversion Therapy it’s the default position, as they are pushing due to the Cass review, but they call it a “Holistic Approach” now, that plus the 20+ year wait times (not exaggerating this is the actual wait times) for any trans healthcare on the NHS.
No_Cauliflower_81 on
What should be the punishment for a church or a mosque or religious organisation that promotes conversion therapy to its members? Banning the organisation from operating in the UK, criminal charges or hefty fines? If a couple of high profile offenders are made an example of, this will reduce the practice dramatically I think.
MondeyMondey on
> Sean Doherty, one of their co-founders, speaks openly on their website about being same-sex attracted but living in a heterosexual marriage
Imagine being some self-hating gay Christian guy’s wife
aReasonableStick on
It hasnt changed because they dont want to ban conversion therapy because it’ll give protection to trans people, and they’re currently using conversion therapy tactics for trans people in the NHS.
JigMaJox on
Why make it illegal?
If someone wants to change their orientation voluntarily,then it’s their right….
OhUrDead on
Usually I’m the kind of person who asks “does the government really need to be involved here?” I’m not someone who thinks the state should run every part of people’s lives, and I recognise there are times when intervention is justified.
I don’t think there’s anything *wrong with being gay*, and I certainly don’t blame people for wanting to live their lives as they choose. At the same time, I’m not convinced the government should outright ban any adult from seeking out help or therapy they *voluntarily want*, even if that’s conversion-type therapy I personally don’t believe it actually changes someone’s orientation, and a lot of professionals dispute its validity.
I do think there’s a difference between coercive practices (which most would agree are harmful and should be illegal) and adults freely choosing what support they want. People are free to take paths they think will help them mentally or emotionally, even if others disagree with them, just like there’s no law stopping someone from spending money on a hypnotist like [Zack Polanski](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/zack-polanski-green-party-hypnotherapy-b2819071.html) claiming they can give you bigger tits.
If something’s genuinely harmful or fraudulent, that’s one thing, but if an adult wants to pursue something of their own free will I’m not sure the government should automatically criminalise that.
ChloeOnTheInternet on
It hasn’t changed because the government do not want to ban conversion therapy for trans people and they know any ban that excludes trans people will rightfully be criticised.
For example, the NHS hired the consultancy group Explore Consultation to develop new training materials for ‘gender exploratory therapy’. The director of this group, Anna Hutchinson, is an outspoken opponent of an outright ban on conversion practices because she believes it would prohibit the kind of practices Explore Consultation were hired to help develop.
rev-fr-john on
Why hasn’t it changed? Or even why was it even considered and developed in the first place? Quite simply because the attitudes towards it that were so prevalent before the sixties are still alive and kicking within the tory government, Labour claim to be different, but while the words spoken about various policies are different the end result is the same, a different government in name is the only actual change we ever see, and while we need something different, currently there’s only more of the same on offer, at best.
Kobruh456 on
Because doing so would also mean banning conversion therapy for trans people too. Feels like this question gets asked like once a month and the answer is always the same.
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Soon enough it will be officially recommended on trans people the way this country is going
My guess would be because it is hard to argue against the legality of something adults choose to do out of their own free will.
I think it is harmful, pointless and just all around awful, but so are many other things that are legal.
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Because it’s ludicrously hard to prevent people holding and expressing different views on sexuality, for one thing. You can’t just unilaterally ban those opinions that you find personally unpleasant or misguided.
Whether there’s a way to prevent people being pushed or coerced towards these views is another story.
Because any Conversion Therapy ban would have to include a Trans Conversion Therapy ban as-well, as all the LGBT+ right organisations would have an outcry (rightly so), otherwise we get the same as when Johnson? Tried a Trans Exclusive ban a few years ago.
However the government are basically making Trans Conversion Therapy it’s the default position, as they are pushing due to the Cass review, but they call it a “Holistic Approach” now, that plus the 20+ year wait times (not exaggerating this is the actual wait times) for any trans healthcare on the NHS.
What should be the punishment for a church or a mosque or religious organisation that promotes conversion therapy to its members? Banning the organisation from operating in the UK, criminal charges or hefty fines? If a couple of high profile offenders are made an example of, this will reduce the practice dramatically I think.
> Sean Doherty, one of their co-founders, speaks openly on their website about being same-sex attracted but living in a heterosexual marriage
Imagine being some self-hating gay Christian guy’s wife
It hasnt changed because they dont want to ban conversion therapy because it’ll give protection to trans people, and they’re currently using conversion therapy tactics for trans people in the NHS.
Why make it illegal?
If someone wants to change their orientation voluntarily,then it’s their right….
Usually I’m the kind of person who asks “does the government really need to be involved here?” I’m not someone who thinks the state should run every part of people’s lives, and I recognise there are times when intervention is justified.
I don’t think there’s anything *wrong with being gay*, and I certainly don’t blame people for wanting to live their lives as they choose. At the same time, I’m not convinced the government should outright ban any adult from seeking out help or therapy they *voluntarily want*, even if that’s conversion-type therapy I personally don’t believe it actually changes someone’s orientation, and a lot of professionals dispute its validity.
I do think there’s a difference between coercive practices (which most would agree are harmful and should be illegal) and adults freely choosing what support they want. People are free to take paths they think will help them mentally or emotionally, even if others disagree with them, just like there’s no law stopping someone from spending money on a hypnotist like [Zack Polanski](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/zack-polanski-green-party-hypnotherapy-b2819071.html) claiming they can give you bigger tits.
If something’s genuinely harmful or fraudulent, that’s one thing, but if an adult wants to pursue something of their own free will I’m not sure the government should automatically criminalise that.
It hasn’t changed because the government do not want to ban conversion therapy for trans people and they know any ban that excludes trans people will rightfully be criticised.
For example, the NHS hired the consultancy group Explore Consultation to develop new training materials for ‘gender exploratory therapy’. The director of this group, Anna Hutchinson, is an outspoken opponent of an outright ban on conversion practices because she believes it would prohibit the kind of practices Explore Consultation were hired to help develop.
Why hasn’t it changed? Or even why was it even considered and developed in the first place? Quite simply because the attitudes towards it that were so prevalent before the sixties are still alive and kicking within the tory government, Labour claim to be different, but while the words spoken about various policies are different the end result is the same, a different government in name is the only actual change we ever see, and while we need something different, currently there’s only more of the same on offer, at best.
Because doing so would also mean banning conversion therapy for trans people too. Feels like this question gets asked like once a month and the answer is always the same.