It should lean fully into renovating and strengthening internatinal law, together with the global south and China. Giving up and abolish the veto rights of the old imperial powers and if needed sanction the imperial powers who disregard international law.
It should absolutely not become jet another imperial super power.
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For almost an entire year, Europe has repeatedly faced the same choice: go along with another outrageous demand from US President Trump, or deploy what power it has to impose costs on Washington’s transgressions. Again and again, European leaders have chosen the former in the belief that ingratiating themselves with Trump will avoid the possibility of worse harm coming from opposing him.
But in doing so, they have allowed considerable actual harm to accumulate:accepting vastly unbalanced tariff changes and the abandonment of the most-favoured-nation principle; interference in European elections and pressure to (de)regulate in favour of US tech; sanctions on political figures and international court officials; and taking on the full financial burden of containing Russia’s imperial military ambitions.
The more Europe pays for its supplication, the less convincing its strategic rationale becomes. What evidence is there that hitting back would cost more? The most frequently mentioned fear is that if Europe stops kissing the ring, the US will stop supporting Ukraine. That raises the question of how much support the US has left to withdraw. Washington gives Ukraine hardly any money or weapons. As a result, as Nathalie Tocci of the Italian Institute for International Affairs points out, it “has lost significant leverage over Ukraine” and “does not have the cards to impose a capitulation”.
The US could halt intelligence sharing again. Whether this would make it impossible to keep Ukraine in the fight (especially if Europe maximised support for Kyiv and pressure on Moscow, including by seizing its reserves) cannot be known from public information. But even so, folding to Trump on everything to protect a European country’s sovereignty is absurd if “everything” includes ceding sovereign territory to him.
Rather than a strategic weighing of outcomes, a broader psychological anxiety hamstrings European leaders: an inability to contemplate going it alone — without US support or even against US wishes — where “it” means not just Ukraine and wider security, but technology and the economy.
This inferiority complex is unwarranted. It also aids the Trump administration’s concerted effort to sap European courage to go its own way rather than follow US diktats. As Trump understands so well, a leader’s job is to project confidence to use the strength one actually has.
In Trump’s zero-sum approach to commerce, the EU could give as good as it gets, for example by denying US digital services the enormous profits they make in its market. Rising opposition in the European parliament to ratifying last summer’s EU-US “trade deal” while Trump threatens Greenland sends the right signal.
On everything from relatively small increases in common spending to a full-fledged digital currency, the EU has game-changing tools at the ready. If it could shed its fear of missing out, it could use a “buy European” policy and its ample savings to build domestic supply on everything from AI to most weapons in a matter of years — as China has proved is possible.
Even on the biggest question of security, why would anyone think Maga US is more likely to come to the rescue of a region that is proving itself a repeated pushover than one willing to fight back when challenged? Truly strategic thinking for Europeans is not ingratiation but making clear what they are willing to fight for.
At the moment, the US could simply declare that it owns Greenland and it would be game over. A small number of additional European troops could alter that — not because a US invasion could be defeated, but because Washington’s calculation would change if it would have to contend with an invasion.
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Ive been saying this for years and years. So happy to see Europe wake up to the reality and see the US for what it *really* is
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Please don’t leave us behind!
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There has to be a red line somewhere and if its not Greenland – where? Canada, Iceland, the UK? The lesson of history is that appeasement does not work. Europe knows what is at stake. We must see off the threat of Putin’s Russia either with America’s help or (now more likely) on our own.
The seed of the inflection point we reach now was planted when the Berlin Wall came down. Eventually the US would tire of bankrolling the defence of a rich Europe. Unfortunately it has reached this point at a time when the threat from Russia is at its most acute.
The failures of policy lie on both sides of the Atlantic. the fact that even now Starmer, Macron and Merz seem to be equivocating is deeply worrying. European troops should be placed in Nuuk and it should be made known that they will resist any attempts to dislodge them.
If Trump really does think he can take Greenland by force (a big if) he will know he will have to ask his own soldiers to threaten to fire on their friends from Afghanistan and Iraq and countless exercises and deployments around the world.
I don’t think he will be able to do that and he will have to back down. Even if not a single American soldier sets foot in Greenland surely the die is already cast. How can we possibly trust America again after such a gross betrayal.
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You know what’s funny ? Even the most imperialist and colonist trashes are facing and will increasingly face the (very obvious when you think about it) limits to extraction, regardless of how many prayers they do to the god of innovation.
And it’ll be the case here. No doubt the richest and industrials will go again in the full fascist way once they realize that it’s necessary to maintain our material wealth. And most people will have to adapt while in cognitive dissonance about “elites” that keep telling them that “we’ll always have more” and reality, in which they experience “always less”.
Let’s not talk about lowtechs and permaculture, but instead, let’s create a big army, make many weapons, and go pillage whatever countries that don’t have nuclear firepower, so we can keep on having 150 different flavors of chips and GTX6090 so we can jerk to 4k pr0n !
What a livid joke this all is. Because many people here still insist on basing their understand on “somehow, we’ll manage a way to extract always more”.
xybolt on
I’m really happy with this mindset being developed. I’ve been telling this since I started to pay more attention to world politics. That’s 10 years ago?
People have been blinded by the state of having peace and being able to communicate with other large “power blocks” in the world.
We’ve become too soft and dependent.
Zanian19 on
Yes, we 40 something countries should together go at it alone.
IamHumanAndINeed on
Nah, the US is going to chip away bit by bit at Greenland population to turn them away from Danemark/Europe. Trump has still more than 3 years to his mandate, it’s going to be long.
While at the same time the Ukraino-Russian conflict will still be in full force and ever menacing to escalate in Europe. I don’t think Europe can afford to split its forces at the moment.
Best case scenario, Trump and Putin die and we can go back at what we were doing defense wise (not a lot).
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It should lean fully into renovating and strengthening internatinal law, together with the global south and China. Giving up and abolish the veto rights of the old imperial powers and if needed sanction the imperial powers who disregard international law.
It should absolutely not become jet another imperial super power.
For almost an entire year, Europe has repeatedly faced the same choice: go along with another outrageous demand from US President Trump, or deploy what power it has to impose costs on Washington’s transgressions. Again and again, European leaders have chosen the former in the belief that ingratiating themselves with Trump will avoid the possibility of worse harm coming from opposing him.
But in doing so, they have allowed considerable actual harm to accumulate:accepting vastly unbalanced tariff changes and the abandonment of the most-favoured-nation principle; interference in European elections and pressure to (de)regulate in favour of US tech; sanctions on political figures and international court officials; and taking on the full financial burden of containing Russia’s imperial military ambitions.
The more Europe pays for its supplication, the less convincing its strategic rationale becomes. What evidence is there that hitting back would cost more? The most frequently mentioned fear is that if Europe stops kissing the ring, the US will stop supporting Ukraine. That raises the question of how much support the US has left to withdraw. Washington gives Ukraine hardly any money or weapons. As a result, as Nathalie Tocci of the Italian Institute for International Affairs points out, it “has lost significant leverage over Ukraine” and “does not have the cards to impose a capitulation”.
The US could halt intelligence sharing again. Whether this would make it impossible to keep Ukraine in the fight (especially if Europe maximised support for Kyiv and pressure on Moscow, including by seizing its reserves) cannot be known from public information. But even so, folding to Trump on everything to protect a European country’s sovereignty is absurd if “everything” includes ceding sovereign territory to him.
Rather than a strategic weighing of outcomes, a broader psychological anxiety hamstrings European leaders: an inability to contemplate going it alone — without US support or even against US wishes — where “it” means not just Ukraine and wider security, but technology and the economy.
This inferiority complex is unwarranted. It also aids the Trump administration’s concerted effort to sap European courage to go its own way rather than follow US diktats. As Trump understands so well, a leader’s job is to project confidence to use the strength one actually has.
In Trump’s zero-sum approach to commerce, the EU could give as good as it gets, for example by denying US digital services the enormous profits they make in its market. Rising opposition in the European parliament to ratifying last summer’s EU-US “trade deal” while Trump threatens Greenland sends the right signal.
On everything from relatively small increases in common spending to a full-fledged digital currency, the EU has game-changing tools at the ready. If it could shed its fear of missing out, it could use a “buy European” policy and its ample savings to build domestic supply on everything from AI to most weapons in a matter of years — as China has proved is possible.
Even on the biggest question of security, why would anyone think Maga US is more likely to come to the rescue of a region that is proving itself a repeated pushover than one willing to fight back when challenged? Truly strategic thinking for Europeans is not ingratiation but making clear what they are willing to fight for.
At the moment, the US could simply declare that it owns Greenland and it would be game over. A small number of additional European troops could alter that — not because a US invasion could be defeated, but because Washington’s calculation would change if it would have to contend with an invasion.
Ive been saying this for years and years. So happy to see Europe wake up to the reality and see the US for what it *really* is
Please don’t leave us behind!
There has to be a red line somewhere and if its not Greenland – where? Canada, Iceland, the UK? The lesson of history is that appeasement does not work. Europe knows what is at stake. We must see off the threat of Putin’s Russia either with America’s help or (now more likely) on our own.
The seed of the inflection point we reach now was planted when the Berlin Wall came down. Eventually the US would tire of bankrolling the defence of a rich Europe. Unfortunately it has reached this point at a time when the threat from Russia is at its most acute.
The failures of policy lie on both sides of the Atlantic. the fact that even now Starmer, Macron and Merz seem to be equivocating is deeply worrying. European troops should be placed in Nuuk and it should be made known that they will resist any attempts to dislodge them.
If Trump really does think he can take Greenland by force (a big if) he will know he will have to ask his own soldiers to threaten to fire on their friends from Afghanistan and Iraq and countless exercises and deployments around the world.
I don’t think he will be able to do that and he will have to back down. Even if not a single American soldier sets foot in Greenland surely the die is already cast. How can we possibly trust America again after such a gross betrayal.
You know what’s funny ? Even the most imperialist and colonist trashes are facing and will increasingly face the (very obvious when you think about it) limits to extraction, regardless of how many prayers they do to the god of innovation.
And it’ll be the case here. No doubt the richest and industrials will go again in the full fascist way once they realize that it’s necessary to maintain our material wealth. And most people will have to adapt while in cognitive dissonance about “elites” that keep telling them that “we’ll always have more” and reality, in which they experience “always less”.
Let’s not talk about lowtechs and permaculture, but instead, let’s create a big army, make many weapons, and go pillage whatever countries that don’t have nuclear firepower, so we can keep on having 150 different flavors of chips and GTX6090 so we can jerk to 4k pr0n !
What a livid joke this all is. Because many people here still insist on basing their understand on “somehow, we’ll manage a way to extract always more”.
I’m really happy with this mindset being developed. I’ve been telling this since I started to pay more attention to world politics. That’s 10 years ago?
People have been blinded by the state of having peace and being able to communicate with other large “power blocks” in the world.
We’ve become too soft and dependent.
Yes, we 40 something countries should together go at it alone.
Nah, the US is going to chip away bit by bit at Greenland population to turn them away from Danemark/Europe. Trump has still more than 3 years to his mandate, it’s going to be long.
While at the same time the Ukraino-Russian conflict will still be in full force and ever menacing to escalate in Europe. I don’t think Europe can afford to split its forces at the moment.
Best case scenario, Trump and Putin die and we can go back at what we were doing defense wise (not a lot).