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  1. GreenEyeOfADemon on

    The birthplaces of of well-known people in the Baltic states are being systematically changed on the reference website Wikipedia, reports Latvian Radio.

    If previously the specific country (Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania) was mentioned as the place of birth, now in many cases the Soviet Union appears as the country of birth. Latvian Radio revealed that the biographies of well-known people in Latvia, including President Edgars Rinkēvičs (entry pictured above), are also being changed in this way.

    In the case of Estonia, a Wikipedia user has changed the birthplace records of nearly 600 people in English-language articles, indicating that they were born in the Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR), within the Soviet Union. In one case, such edits were made for more than 21 hours in a row, and the user himself described them as “correcting” Estonian history. This was reported by [Estonian public media ERR](https://news.err.ee/1609903256/estonian-volunteers-struggling-to-protect-wikipedia-from-russian-propaganda), citing research conducted by journalist Ronald Liive.

    Lithuanian media outlet Lrytas reported on similar actions, which resulted in the birthplaces of a number of politicians being changed to ‘Lithuanian SSR’, including President Gitanas Nausėdas and former President Dalia Grybauskaitė.

    Latvian Radio disinformation researcher Anete Bērzkalne checked whether similar changes had been made to the biographies of famous people in Latvia, and found that it appears to be the case. The place of birth – from “Latvia” to “Latvian SSR, Soviet Union” – has been changed for a number of people, including Edgars Rinkēvičs, Evika Siliņa, Valdis Dombrovskis, Egils Levits, Helēna Demakova, as well as athletes such as Dairis Bertāns, Sandis Ozoliņš and Kaspars Bērziņš. 

    # Narrative of russian history 

    The changes are not only about individual biographical entries, they influence the representation of the history of the Baltic States in one of the most widely used sources of information in the world. Under international law, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia did not legally cease to exist even during the Soviet occupation, so the format “Latvian SSR, Soviet Union” is closer to the preferred narrative of Kremlin-approved Russian history. Such seemingly small elements when combined with others over time, gradually form the “big story” – to influence people’s perception and understanding of history. 

  2. GreenEyeOfADemon on

    [When Estonian volunteers tried to make corrections, they were denied, stating that they were promoting the spread of a nationalist narrative. For example, it is currently impossible to correct the Kallas’ profile, and the information in it remains in a distorted form.](https://bnn-news.com/russian-propaganda-machine-corrects-wikipedia-entries-estonians-try-to-fight-back-275849)

    >Similarly, the section on the Estonian War of Independence is being worked on, where in some sections “defense” has been replaced with “offense,” and the creation of Estonia has been presented as separatism, which coincides with the Kremlin’s rhetoric. Liive pointed out that online encyclopedias have become a battlefield for hybrid warfare, and there is a risk of losing our history to those who want to rewrite it.

  3. ClearHeart_FullLiver on

    This is something Wikipedia needs to get on top of fast, they ignored the issue with Irish related pages for years but the threat posed to the Baltic states by Russia is far more serious than a cohort of weird Brits who feel the need to win online arguments.

  4. robber_goosy on

    Wikipedia is good for looking up some basic facts, but you shouldnt be getting your information about complex topics like this from Wikipedia anyways. Certainly not in the political sphere.

  5. UpAndDownArrows on

    What was the name of the country of birth on these people’s first passport? If it was Soviet Union or Estonian SSR, then that’s their birthplace. But I guess we have to go and rewrite the history every time we find something we don’t like in our past..

  6. Potential-South-2807 on

    This is one of those issues where you can sympathize, I understand how unpleasant it must be for those formally under Soviet rule to see it so bluntly written across their history, but the facts of the matter are clear.

    They were Soviet at the time, that is just the reality of the situation. It is useless to pretend otherwise, instead take pride in the fact you are Soviet no longer, and never shall be again.

  7. ExplosivePancake9 on

    People should get that wikipedia editors are not some huge ultra sophisticated bunch, it takes no account to edit, and to make one is as easy as listing your email

    You can make the most in depth, well researched, fully sourced edit, then guy number 1326626 can come in and edit with the explanation being “idk”.

  8. HighDefinist on

    It does seem like there are quiet a few Russian trolls active on Wikipedia…

    For example, on the German Wikipedia, the capital of Ukraine is still spelled based on the Russian name (“Kiew”), than based on the Ukrainian name (“Kyjiw”).

  9. MaxDrexler on

    Same issue with other countries from east Europe – soviet ruzzistki narrative dominates.

  10. hamstar_potato on

    Y’all are accusing others of rewriting history, but then come here to be offended over a factual thing like a bunch of hypocrites. The editors aren’t in the wrong for stating the correct historical birthplace.

  11. Cheese_122 on

    Usually I don’t comment on this sub much but this is a bit absurd that it counts as news. It is standard practice on Wikipedia to put the place of birth to the country it occurred it not the modern day equivalent. These people were all objectively born in the Soviet Union in the Latvian SSR.

  12. ilevelconcrete on

    >Wikipedia is often criticized for its content creation policy, which allows anyone to create and edit articles regardless of their expertise in the field. When disagreements or issues arise, they are usually resolved through discussion after seeking the views of the wider Wikipedia community.

    That is the intended function of the website. Seems incredibly disingenuous to characterize that as something which is “often criticized”. There plenty of other encyclopedias that have different standards, if you don’t like Wikipedia’s methods, go somewhere else.

    >This discussion ended with the decision that the “most appropriate” solution would be to indicate the city, the relevant ‘Soviet Socialist Republic’ and the Soviet Union in the “box” for the place of birth information (e.g. Riga, Latvian SSR, Soviet Union), although previously only the city and country were usually indicated (e.g. Rīga, Latvia).

    >Based on this principle, changes continue to occur. Users from the Baltic states regularly change these edits, only to find them quickly reversed, with the above discussion cited as justification. From an outsider’s perspective, it seems that users who advocate the designation ‘Soviet Union’ are “sitting on guard” and react to edits almost immediately.

    > The fact that such a situation is observed in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia leads Latvian Radio to speculate about possible coordinated action.

    You know what actually sounds like coordinated action? Throwing a temper tantrum because you don’t like what the community decided, continuing to try and force edits through despite this, and then complaining in the media about how unfair it is that the same standard applied to every other article is being applied here too.

  13. Stormshow on

    Well, it’s a descriptor of the political entity they were born into, regardless of how legitimate it was or wasn’t.

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