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    1. TheoremaEgregium on

      Like with the end of daylight savings time everybody agrees that it should be done but nobody does it.

    2. goldstarflag on

      *„Qualitative improvement will only happen if our institutional defense readiness is fundamentally transformed and unified at the EU level. To understand why, let us ask an obvious question with an easy answer: would the United States be militarily stronger if it had 50 state armies, 50 sovereign state-level defense policies, and 50 defense budgets?” the EU politician rhetorically asks, adding commentary from other analysts critical of the current situation.*

      *„It is hard to imagine that in the event of military aggression, crisis management would be handled by traditional EU institutions based on the consensus of 27 states. The European Security Council must have a pre-authorized mandate to act without restrictions as the EU’s highest coordinating and decision-making body, with decisions subject to ex post approval by the Council. Relations between the chairs of the European Security Council, the EU Council, and the European Commission during such a crisis should be more precisely defined in a special EU regulation on military crisis management,” the text concludes—offering a good summary of the idea.*

      🇪🇺 Defence Comissioner Kubilius is the right man at the right place.

    3. d4electro on

      It’ll take like 20 years or ww3, but we’ll Def see more integration

    5. bklor on

      > the European defense landscape into at least 25 separate armed forces. Simply put, these forces are not structured to defend Europe

      Obviously not. They are structured to defend their homeland and their national interests.

      European defense cooperation must be based on a recognition of that fact, not some wild dream that we are supposed to suddenly be a copy of the US.

      Europe is not America!

    6. Anachron101 on

      God I hope so. The times of who knows how many different tanks, jets, rifles, artillery, etc etc need to be over. We could all save so much money and yet still have a very capable military

    8. ExoticBamboo on

      How can we have a EU army when different countries are actively supporting opposing factions in todays conflicts?

      France has its special forces in Eastern Lybia training Haftar army while we have our forces doing the same with GNU.

    9. Any-Original-6113 on

      In essence, it’s an interesting idea: replacing the 100,000-strong US military contingent with pan-European rapid reaction forces while retaining national armies.

      The article gives a good analogy—if the US military were divided into 50 separate armies, its effectiveness would be orders of magnitude lower.

      These pan-European forces would be structured like a private military company—essentially a European Legion (modelled on the French Foreign Legion). Personnel could be European or not (Ukrainians with combat experience after a ceasefire could make up the lion’s share).

      They’d be purely rapid‑response units. The crucial question is: who commands them?

      The proposal is to set up a European Security Council made up of representatives from the “E5”—Germany, France, Poland, Italy, Spain—plus several rotating members from the other countries.

      Essentially, the plan is sensible, but it obviously has one major drawback for many smaller countries: it would be a security instrument directly under a federal EU.

    10. Appropriate_Snow2112 on

      Cooperation, shared logistics, supply chains, and whatever commonalities are feasible are always good. But it often feels like many discussions here (I know, it´s Reddiit…) treat the real world as if it were a Paradox strategy game: “Okay, now everybody gets that German tank, the general has to be this cool guy from Belgium who ranked first in Charisma and Mobile Warfare, and everyone will respond to MY command.” “Hey, what about my local defense industry? It’s strategic for me, you know?” “Shut up, peasant, you’re only worth counting as manpower at the east front.”

      Let’s take logical steps first—we’re still far from being a federation with a unified political system that allows for accountable command of a European standing army.

    11. YanusYanusovic on

      Half a decade into a war on European soil and there are only ‘concrete proposals’? Whatever the fucks that means. Europe is a joke and is doomed to die out.

    12. tightblade_r on

      Sorry if I translate it wrong, but in Ukraine we say: “If you don’t want to feed your own army, you will feed an enemy army”. We have learned this from our own experience.

      The peaceful, prosperous times are over, and if Europe wants to retain at least some of its leading role in the world, it needs to create a sufficiently powerful UNITED army so that no dictator (from land or sea) can invade Europe.

      Right now, Europe has a unique opportunity to simply pay Ukrainians to buy some time to create an army. If, hypothetically, Ukraine loses tomorrow, Putin will NOT wait for Europe to create an army; he will march as far as he can to get maximum “compensation” to cover the losses of recent years.

    13. JG1313 on

      This is delusional. The political reality is that as long as European Union states don’t have a unique foreign policy, having a common army is not possible.

    14. Partiallyfermented on

      I have a feeling that if Europe had one army, smaller nations in the fringes could be considered expendable in order to protect the bigger central european nations.

    15. suicidemachine on

      We don’t even have common foreign policy to begin with. Really, European countries can’t even come up with a common policy on such an obvious topic like the invasion of Ukraine.

    16. MercantileReptile on

      >Since the European Commission, according to Kubilius, is not capable of serving as a platform for strategic debate, informal leadership formats are increasingly playing a role. Examples include the E5+ and G5+ groups, where representatives from countries such as Poland, Germany, France, Italy, the U.K., and Spain meet (for example, to coordinate military aid for Ukraine or cooperation with the U.S.). Other similar formats are being considered.

      Bless this man! European commissioner understanding the shortcomings of the european commission and **openly** says as much? Holy shit, I thought I’d never see the day.

    17. roggahn on

      Common armed forces require common citizenship. Please let us have an EU passport finally.

    18. KINGDenneh on

      It’s okay guys, they’ll talk about it at brussels for a good few more months, it will end up be a few more years and after all of that yapping, nothing will eventually not happen anyways.

    20. FugaziHandz on

      *pounding drumbeat*

      Jack White wailing:

      “I’m gonna fight ‘em off…
      A twenty-seven nation army couldn’t hold me back…”

    21. askolein on

      Fuck it, just let france own the whole thing. Germany and other central countries clearly showed they can’t think long term so why bother with this BS. Submit or… submit

      Ps: make sure to downvote!

    22. poklane on

      Nobody knows how it’ll be funded. Nobody knows where it’s soldiers and equipment will be stationed. Nobody knows how will be determined when the army is called into action and what would happen if one or more participating nations oppose.

      What if for example there’s a limited Russian green men incursion into the Baltics, and a country like Germany opposes using the European army to fight back? Do all German soldiers pull out of the European army? Does Germany block all equipment stationed in their country from leaving their bases? 

      People call for an European army time and time again, but nobody comes up with an actual plan for all this. It’s a joke. 

    24. Psittacula2 on

      It is centralization of power fundamentally, in the same way as the the sheepdog pups in Animal Farm later on became instrumental.

      It is not and never was about external security, but about containment and control within.

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