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  1. _Monsterguy_ on

    “The reforms – coming into force in April – will tackle these perverse incentives by introducing a lower Universal Credit health element rate of £217.26 per month for new claimants, compared to the higher rate of £429.80.”

    If you were taken ill next month and could no longer work, you’ll now receive less money.

    They’re spending billions to try to get ill/disabled people into jobs that don’t exist – there’s already more than twice as many people looking for jobs than there are vacancies.
    Unsurprisingly most businesses aren’t going to pick someone who hasn’t worked in a decade and needs accommodations over someone healthy with references.

    It’d be a ‘perverse incentive’ I assume to increase wages to a point where people in full time work no longer needed benefits or food banks…and could buy a house.

  2. Let’s halve the state pension and get seventy year olds off of Facebook and back at the coal face. 

    Seems about as reasonable as cutting disability benefits to incentivise people to work. 

  3. OkPea5819 on

    This is absurd – completely agree with the principle of getting people into work – but how can two people receive different rates solely based on when they first applied? Especially 50%.

  4. Potential-Bird-5826 on

    Yeah? As of today i’m 131 applications into a job hunt. I have had my CV tweaked by the Job centre. I’m applying on indeed, reed, linked in, mynewterm, a medicaljobs website, i’ve contacted recruiters in three different countries. I will relocate to anywhere. Literally my only criteria is ‘is english or dutch the primary language of the place you need people’.

    But sure, the government is trying to ‘help me into work’ by reducing my UC payment in a few months. Fuckery like this is why people want to burn the system down.

  5. PurchaseDry9350 on

    This isn’t support, it’s punishment, pressure and cruelty, and will increase poverty. This is over £200 a month cut from sick people’s income. To say ‘support’ is absolute gaslighting and an absurd lie.

  6. PurchaseDry9350 on

    And interesting that they’re doing this right when Starmer is in danger 🙄

  7. M_M_X_X_V on

    They will do anything but Job Creation. Why isn’t job creation even brought up in our political debates? It makes no sense.

  8. what-a-trash on

    The housing part of UC hasn’t kept up with rising rental costs, a lot of disabled people have to spend a portion of their UC disability money to make up the shortfall, and will now be unable to afford basics like food and electricity.

    This will lead to deaths. The Labour government will have our blood on their hands.

  9. Additional_Pickle_59 on

    We’re gonna see a level of poverty no living person has ever seen before. They’ll never punish companies for disgraceful AI hiring strategies, hoarding wealth or passing costs on to anyone they can, but you can be safe in knowing that anyone who lost their job to sickness will never have a job again.

  10. mrayner9 on

    Seeing this whilst we also had “Britons working harder to earn less” article earlier is an oxymoron lol.

    Its all good getting people into work. They need to feel rewarded to actually stay put in work. Thats the difference

  11. limaconnect77 on

    The posts about ‘100+ job applications but still no replies’ is code for ‘very specific role, salary and WFH hours to match the worth of my tertiary qualification(s)’.

    In other words, any minimum wage-equivalent work to pay the bills in the meantime is beneath them.

    Just in case anyone was puzzling as to why these sort of people are currently not gainfully employed.

  12. -Incubation- on

    What makes this even more grim is that if a couple were disabled enough to qualify for the unable to work related element, they only qualify for one payment. However, if they lived separately, they would both qualify in their own right.

  13. Smooth_Imagination on

    Benefits chain off each other, to some extent its unrealistic to believe that theres this class of people that are outside and dont need help and this other class that needs all of it, and the system as a whole is a perverse incentive.

    To pay for that, the taxes go up and harms hiring.

    Benefits should be more generous at first based on having paid in, and reduce unless true functional disability prevents gaining employment.

    Where extra help is needed is in the low income gig economy. People should be paid more than equivalent permenant roles on an hourly basis to incentivise permanent roles and apprenticeships. A higher N.I. rate may also apply on temp roles.

    Whilst those that are trying but have intermittent income can quickly fall into the trap of poverty and be unable to pay for training.

    I would reform JSA to be paid daily, the moment your role ends, it provides JSA at a higher rate initially than at present, up to 5 daily payments per week. If you worked 2 days in a week you will automatically get 3 days of JSA, initially at tge higher rate depending on NI contributions in the last period or over several years.

    That should be arranged with agencies and some other employer side reporting or a streamlined app. You would then after a few weeks on the higher rate JSA, it starts to go down. If you take on more odd work, your contributions go up and is rewarded with more time on the higher rate support.

    This will also save the JSA authority and job centre money, since youve demonstrated a flexibility and willingness to find work, you can be left alone for some time.

  14. RecedingQuickly on

    This is targeting the lcwra component which doesn’t mean you cant work, you can still work and claim it. It’s broken as you can work a part time job, claim it for a base of about £840 + housing benefit. Someone working a 18hour part time job could pull in £1800 a month (including housing) with no tax.

  15. Woffingshire on

    Article says the people currently on UC will continue to get the full amount. New claimants get half of it.

    How does that incentivise people into work? It only applies to new claimants. If I lost my job tomorrow i’d be getting barely enough money to live on while I look for a new one, but people who have been abusing the system to live solely off benefits for 10 years will be allowed to continue doing it.

    This simply wasn’t thought through as a system.

  16. yadasellsavonmate on

    Proper right wing policy…  

    They are just Tories who play left wing identity politics. 

  17. pinetashapple on

    Fantastic they’re prioritising this and not the adult social care reform that’s been promised for over 3 years. 

  18. ScubaPuddingJr on

    How are they going to get people back into work, when there aren’t enough jobs for these unemployed people who are also trapped within the welfare state?

  19. What I don’t understand is why the government doesn’t just give people jobs. There’s hundreds and hundreds of hours of litter picking and general maintenance around citites that could be done in return for their welfare money. 

  20. Counterpoint-4 on

    If there was training that guaranteed a job at the end it would be more encouraging than telling people to train then they can’t get a job, so back to square one.

  21. salamanderwolf on

    Labour and shortsightedly punishing people for being disabled which will end up costing the country more. Name a more iconic duo.

    They deserve every kicking they get.

  22. Redditisfakeleft on

    >The reforms – coming into force in April – will tackle these perverse incentives by introducing a lower Universal Credit health element rate of £217.26 per month for new claimants, compared to the higher rate of £429.80.

    >Those with the most severe, lifelong conditions, those nearing end of life, and all existing Universal Credit health claimants will continue to receive the higher rate.

    Anyone see the perverse incentive?

  23. vicbor65 on

    Good plans, but, as usual, they are not gonna work, and living on benefits will stay a life choice in this country.

  24. cordlesspizza on

    It always sounds good to people before they get this level of disabled, be it through cancer or anything else. Then they will scream it’s not enough. It’s genuinely a disgusting amount to live off if disabled, even with additional benefits.

  25. DeanV255 on

    My mates really struggled, he changed industry to join a new role and 2 years later redundancy. Now the gap from his old profession is considered a weakness and the lack of experience to others in the new profession is too tight. 6 months Into job searching and they just got tired of him and declared him disabled. Pay went up to 900 a month and he’s kept looking for a job but living at home that 900 carries him so his incentive is far less (in my eyes) to get really looking.

    I personally was made redundant in Oct, by Dec I had 6 job offers but ate through my savings. I didn’t bother with UC, it just wasn’t worth the harassment by the job centre folk. I’m in work now so that’s fortunate and sorry for those whom have looked for awhile and still not found the stars aligned.

  26. bulldog_blues on

    I don’t like the proposed cut to disability benefits at all. They’re not sufficient to cover living costs as is and now future claimants will get even less support?

    The support for jobs *could* be a good thing, the devil will be in the detail. But even if it is, that doesn’t counterbalance the harm this will cause to disabled people.

    This is a policy straight out of the Conservative playbook, so it’s very disappointing to see Labour proposing it.

  27. narnababy on

    Able-bodied people are struggling to find work, do you think people with disabilities are going to do any better?

    My partner has epilepsy meaning he can’t drive, can’t lone work, can’t work with heavy machinery, can’t climb ladders, can’t work in a high stress job or at night (as this is a trigger for his seizures). He spent months recently trying to find a job and has ended up in a position a 4 hour train ride away from our home. And yet when he was let go during lockdown he walked into a new job within the week. There were more jobs when everyone was staying at home than there are now!

    So now I have to work and solo parent all week, he gets to miss out on family time, all so we can keep a roof over our heads. I can’t support a family on my single income so him being a SAHD just wasn’t an option. PIP payments are pathetic and now they want to cut UC?

    Disabled people will die because of this, they won’t be able to get to appointments, or heat their homes, or pay for housing or food.

    Labour have royally fucked up on this one.

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