It will be a tough sell since most of them also hold teaching positions, allowing them sabbaticals every three to five years and four months of (potential) vacation time every year. They also have access to some of the best healthcare available in the US…
im_just_using_logic on
The EU should also be more dedicated in raising productivity in order to pay higher wages.
i_no_can_eat on
What about better conditions and stability for the ones that are already here?
Additional-Read2676 on
“quality of life” lmao
good luck convincing american professors that earning 4-5k eur gross in paris, amsterdam or munich and spending 60% or more of your salary on rent of 40-50 m2 flat is “quality living”
Plenty_Beautiful_547 on
God knows they fall short in the high paying jobs front
New_Passage9166 on
Poaching US researchers is maybe a bold statement given that many of those researchers are European and holding citizenship in European countries while working in the US after being poached.
edparadox on
> The EU is trying to poach American researchers, promising a better quality of life rather than high-paying job
If you call that poach I wonder how you would call the decades since WWII in the US.
IamHumanAndINeed on
Start by preventing EU citizens to leave to the US for such position instead of poaching americans …
inetguy101 on
An offer that misses the target audience. The question that needs to be answered is how the EU would be able to help researchers to be more productive.
Good researchers are in my experience not motivated by money nor quality of life, but their impact and recognition of their peers in their respective scientific field.
So what should be done is an effort to minimize everything that is not research related. No mandate to teach, minimize burocratic burdens for funds and experimental setups (safety/ethics/budget, etc.)
Additionaly labor rules should be relaxed, with 40 h/week you will never get in front of any competitive scientific field.
AlfredsChild on
South Korea alone is competitive in terms of drug development when put against the entirety of the EU. It’s not a lack of researchers that is causing that. The EU needs a better regulatory and financial environment to open up the potential for science. Trying to coax a handful of American-based researchers to move to the EU is a hopeless task.
rovampax on
This is so sad. How about we compete on high-pay instead?
dragon_irl on
European research is somewhat competitive actually, we’re just hilariously bad at converting research success into business.
Which is a big reason why do many European researchers are leaving for the US. They want to productize their research, not spend their career writing grants for EU programs
StevenAdamsInDallas on
Lol. Quality of life with all the 3rd world coming here. No thanks.
isUKexactlyTsameasUS on
FIXED IT FOR YA…
Alternatively, and from personal experience thru our circle of canadian, yanks and brex-exits-eers,
the EU really doesn’t need to ”poach” American or any other anglo researchers – as there is a far higher QoL,
one that sometimes even promises a high*paying job as well – esp when all other factors are all weighed up.
In NorthWesternEurope, the ability to live without actually owning cars is really under-reported / under-rated.
(high*paying for researchers, not the other everyday stuff)
justarandomuser10 on
No American is coming from 200K+ to 50K here. Sure, you can try to manipulate them by using healthcare benefits and stuff, but there is no need at all. Its more cost effective and smart to hire domestic. There is no shortage here.
Lofteed on
the private health insurance system in the US managed to convince an entire generation that they actually have higher salaries than everyone else
when they actually take you back all the difference and more at the first time you sneeze
ivodaniello on
Let’s inflate more the housing prices 🙏
EdliA on
Good luck with that strategy
Sea-Feedback-2424 on
It’s not just pay. Whe. K was working in the US Tthr organization I worked for had group policy insurance – nonqjesriond asked, you paid for it and subsidized by the company.
There is peace of mind with short term disability, long term disability, life insurance, accjdentall death, disability insurance, and disability insurance for about $300 per month versus the amount I would pay out of pocket in Germsny at close to €1100.
Green_Rays on
After completing my PhD in the Netherlands and Belgium, I joined a major semiconductor company in San Jose in a role that aligned perfectly with my dissertation. My starting salary was $220K, and today my wife and I together earn north of half a million dollars annually.
When I was job hunting in the Netherlands, most opportunities I found were relatively low-paid engineering roles. And it’s not only about the salary… the number of relevant openings was also very limited. In Western Europe, the only organizations that really matched my background were NXP in Nijmegen, imec in Leuven, IBM in Zurich, and Infineon in Munich. Unfortunately, none of them were hiring for roles that suited my expertise at the time.
In contrast, in the U.S. I came across dozens of positions that were an excellent fit, and hundreds more that I would have gladly taken.
There really was no comparison.
Aeon_Return on
I support this, provided they perform careful screenings.
vikiiingur on
LOL, if they think a top researcher is going to work for peanuts, they are pretty deluded
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It will be a tough sell since most of them also hold teaching positions, allowing them sabbaticals every three to five years and four months of (potential) vacation time every year. They also have access to some of the best healthcare available in the US…
The EU should also be more dedicated in raising productivity in order to pay higher wages.
What about better conditions and stability for the ones that are already here?
“quality of life” lmao
good luck convincing american professors that earning 4-5k eur gross in paris, amsterdam or munich and spending 60% or more of your salary on rent of 40-50 m2 flat is “quality living”
God knows they fall short in the high paying jobs front
Poaching US researchers is maybe a bold statement given that many of those researchers are European and holding citizenship in European countries while working in the US after being poached.
> The EU is trying to poach American researchers, promising a better quality of life rather than high-paying job
If you call that poach I wonder how you would call the decades since WWII in the US.
Start by preventing EU citizens to leave to the US for such position instead of poaching americans …
An offer that misses the target audience. The question that needs to be answered is how the EU would be able to help researchers to be more productive.
Good researchers are in my experience not motivated by money nor quality of life, but their impact and recognition of their peers in their respective scientific field.
So what should be done is an effort to minimize everything that is not research related. No mandate to teach, minimize burocratic burdens for funds and experimental setups (safety/ethics/budget, etc.)
Additionaly labor rules should be relaxed, with 40 h/week you will never get in front of any competitive scientific field.
South Korea alone is competitive in terms of drug development when put against the entirety of the EU. It’s not a lack of researchers that is causing that. The EU needs a better regulatory and financial environment to open up the potential for science. Trying to coax a handful of American-based researchers to move to the EU is a hopeless task.
This is so sad. How about we compete on high-pay instead?
European research is somewhat competitive actually, we’re just hilariously bad at converting research success into business.
Which is a big reason why do many European researchers are leaving for the US. They want to productize their research, not spend their career writing grants for EU programs
Lol. Quality of life with all the 3rd world coming here. No thanks.
FIXED IT FOR YA…
Alternatively, and from personal experience thru our circle of canadian, yanks and brex-exits-eers,
the EU really doesn’t need to ”poach” American or any other anglo researchers – as there is a far higher QoL,
one that sometimes even promises a high*paying job as well – esp when all other factors are all weighed up.
In NorthWesternEurope, the ability to live without actually owning cars is really under-reported / under-rated.
(high*paying for researchers, not the other everyday stuff)
No American is coming from 200K+ to 50K here. Sure, you can try to manipulate them by using healthcare benefits and stuff, but there is no need at all. Its more cost effective and smart to hire domestic. There is no shortage here.
the private health insurance system in the US managed to convince an entire generation that they actually have higher salaries than everyone else
when they actually take you back all the difference and more at the first time you sneeze
Let’s inflate more the housing prices 🙏
Good luck with that strategy
It’s not just pay. Whe. K was working in the US Tthr organization I worked for had group policy insurance – nonqjesriond asked, you paid for it and subsidized by the company.
There is peace of mind with short term disability, long term disability, life insurance, accjdentall death, disability insurance, and disability insurance for about $300 per month versus the amount I would pay out of pocket in Germsny at close to €1100.
After completing my PhD in the Netherlands and Belgium, I joined a major semiconductor company in San Jose in a role that aligned perfectly with my dissertation. My starting salary was $220K, and today my wife and I together earn north of half a million dollars annually.
When I was job hunting in the Netherlands, most opportunities I found were relatively low-paid engineering roles. And it’s not only about the salary… the number of relevant openings was also very limited. In Western Europe, the only organizations that really matched my background were NXP in Nijmegen, imec in Leuven, IBM in Zurich, and Infineon in Munich. Unfortunately, none of them were hiring for roles that suited my expertise at the time.
In contrast, in the U.S. I came across dozens of positions that were an excellent fit, and hundreds more that I would have gladly taken.
There really was no comparison.
I support this, provided they perform careful screenings.
LOL, if they think a top researcher is going to work for peanuts, they are pretty deluded