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    La campagna Just Don’t esorta i maschi a “affrontare” la mancanza di rispetto nei confronti delle femmine

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    1. earthwormpete on

      Men are fed up of hearing they’re the problem for women not being safe. It’s not my fault the government and local councils aren’t doing more.

    2. JORGA on

      nothing wrong with this at all. Very easy to tell what is humour and what are concerning views. Should apply across the board with other topics such as racism

      article seems to talk more about policing what your pals are saying, rather than intervening with strangers.

      Chatting to my sister about this the other week. When i’m in the vicinity of a woman who’s in a sticky situation i’ll usually at least ask if she’s okay and whether she wants the fella to go away, although this is unfortunately not always ideal as you’ve literally always got to be prepared for the man to become aggressive and now you’re potentially in a physical scenario.

      edit: white knight larping apparently for saying i’d fucking attempt to step in and defuse a public scene where a woman is being harassed, ffs

      I do understand also that the rise in the right wing/red pill (as seen in america) is potentially a result of young men being told that they’re the issue with a lot of things in society, we can not alienate young men in this country like they’ve done in america.

    3. crapusername47 on

      I’m going to preface this by saying that I have done this. I and two other men, neither of whom were known to me or each other, removed a man from an Elizabeth Line train after he racially abused and struck a woman.

      My suggestion is that every time you ask men like me and those other two men to do something about a minority of us, you address one of our problems at the same time. Let’s have a little quid pro quo instead of asking us to take responsibility for things we didn’t do.

      So, let’s start with that whole education gap thing and work downwards from there.

    4. Too-Much-Plastic on

      I’m going to have to ask the question again aren’t I?

      What happens if I step in and it goes wrong?

      I mean leaving aside the whole ‘males, it is your duty to step in’ thing, which I already consider unreasonable for the exact same reasons I’d consider it unreasonable to make black people or Muslims police the behaviour of their demographic groups, people who do this shit in public where I can see it will be people with bottled-up anger and poor impulse control. What happens when inevitably this goes predictably and sadly wrong?

      EDIT: This is an unfortunate intersection of two things I hate, namely ‘we should hold the demographic responsible for policing the demographic’ and ‘surely nothing will go wrong with citizen-policing, we don’t need to increase provisions for this’.

    5. No_Potato_4341 on

      Well the males that disrespect females should face up to who they are tbh.

    6. Rhinofishdog on

      Translation:

      “Men should risk alienating their friends and possibly even put themselves into physical danger for no gain at all.”

      It’s almost like that unpaid domestic/emotional labour feminists complain about having to do lol.

      Why can’t a woman “confront disrespect” on her own?

    7. kris_lace on

      In other countries, police also do, law enforcement and provide security. In our country we ask men to stop other men from doing something. Meanwhile non male perpetrators or non women victims can just collect crime numbers like an NFT or something.

      Here’s an absolutely ***unhinged*** idea I just had. Why don’t we advertise the punishments/jail time for abuse, that it can interfere with job applications etc and if we’re going to get citizens to police our streets – can we **at least** change the campaign to “All citizens can help all other citizens in danger” and not genderise every fucking thing

    9. streetmagix on

      1. I’m not intervening in a situation with people I don’t know. A good chance I’ll get abused/attacked by the man. If there’s a scuffle there’s a good chance I’ll be arrested which puts stuff like Global Entry / Visas / DBS at risk.

      2. The sort of man that would be responsive to this advertisement probably doesn’t have friends that are misogynistic, at least not when they are around. My (male) friendship group are all either married, long term dating or happily single. They all respect women.

    10. messiah-of-cheese on

      Love the campaign, but it should not be gender/sex specific.

      Girls do all these things to guys and worse (yes i know guys also do worse). This is why im saying it should be a ‘respect your neighbor’ type message.

    12. Deadliftdeadlife on

      I’ll protect women I know and care about but sorry, if your a woman I don’t know, your on your own

      It’s been years now that men have been told to leave women alone. Cross the road away from them. But now also put yourself in possible danger to protect them? No thanks

      If I see an attack or something I’d call the police from a distance. That’s the best I can offer

    13. Mickcoffee277 on

      Guys. I wouldn’t advise anyone does rhis.

      I agree with the sentiment but domestic abuse/violence incidents are one of the most dangerous incidents that Police deal with daily due to the potential for both parties to end up attacking you.

      If you see anyone being abused/assaulted by their partner and you deem it being wrong. Phone the Police straight away.

      Don’t put yourself in that potentially dangerous situation.

    14. fordesc16883 on

      Funny isn’t it, when I was sexually harassed by a woman at work all the other women laughed and I was basically told I was overreacting. 

      How about it goes both ways – women, don’t let your peers away with shit and then maybe we’ll do the same. 

    15. EffectSignificant911 on

      Sometimes it’s dead easy to spot. Sometimes it’s not.

      Who decides what is and what isn’t a harmful joke?

      When is irony ok?

      Do people understand irony or has the final nail been hammered into the coffin of irony?

    16. Scrayal on

      I’m not going to do anything of the sort; I’m not trained in or experienced at fighting or de-escalating potential fights, and I don’t get any danger money in case I get in a scrap and then can’t work from being stabbed or bludgeoned.

      Besides, I didn’t have a say in being born a guy; I don’t owe strangers anything beyond calling the people paid to deal with it, especially not an obligation someone else signed me up for.

    17. Physical-Rabbit-3809 on

      Men that do or say bad things KNOW they’re doing and saying bad things. They don’t typically show that side to their friends and if they do your average man is going to call them out for it. Men who engage in abnormal, abusive or predatory behaviour know what they’re doing. Why is it the responsibility of those of us who aren’t engaging in that kind of behaviour to deal with it? Don’t get me wrong if a mate of mine engaged in behaviour like that I’d stop talking to him flat out but asking men to get involved in things that could put us in danger or ultimately affect negatively is just wrong. Don’t get me wrong if a mate of mine said some super sexist shit that wasn’t just a joke he’d get the absolute piss ripped out of him but that’s because we’ve known each other since we were toddlers.

    18. Difficult-Use2022 on

      No way am I intervening in anything. They’re strong independent women, I wouldn’t want to infringe on their rights to solve their own problems with my toxic masculinity lol

    19. mpanase on

      Is it not ironic to ask men who think women are equal… to help them protect women from men who think women are not equal?

      “We are equal, but please protect me (even if we actually outnumber you at 51% of the population”

    20. notimefornothing55 on

      Absolutley. I had a friend that used to cat call women in the street, maybe he still does, but I made it very clear that it was harassment and it was fucking embarrassing for everyone, he laughed it off but yeah I couldn’t hang around him when he was doing shit like that.

    21. Trundlenator on

      While I agree with the idea of this approach won’t this just cause groups disrespecting women to become more insular in nature(they’ll avoid the kind of people who call this out and become groups entirely disrespecting women)?

    22. _Rookwood_ on

      These campaigns would make more sense if we were more coherent as a society as a whole when it comes to dangerous men who victimise women, for example:

      – We allow in thousands of men, who we know little about, who are impossible to vet and come from violent and misogynistic cultures from around the world (small boats crossers),

      – A legal immigration system which doesn’t discriminate at all for country of origin, so we allow in people from highly sexist societies e.g) Pakistan and in huge numbers,

      – We have a criminal justice system which loathes to send people to prison, so it may take numerous criminal offenses before they get a custodial sentence, allowing criminals to victimise even more women (and men),

      – We have had the grooming gang scandal which was allowed to happen because the authorities believe racism is worse than actual rape, so they covered it up. And to this day we have politicians reluctantly dragging their feet to do their job (slow pace of the inquiries). We even have senior politicians regarding the scandal as a “dogwhistle”,

      These gimmicky campaigns are a drop in the ocean compared to all this low hanging fruit we can grab right away.

    23. CameramanNick on

      Once again, I’m forced to point out that I’d have done this regardless for most of the last forty years. I’ve almost never had to because I don’t associate with people who would be likely to do that.

      As such, I don’t really appreciate being patronised and lectured about it. 

      All this does is alienate good people.

    24. azazelcrowley on

      We’re pretty capped out on this kind of stuff and it largely exists just to keep a particular class of people employed. Oversaturation of a message just leads to backlash, especially when there is a perceived bias. If you look at polling too, identification as a feminist is dropping over time despite (or even because of) these campaigns.

      > In the UK, only 38% of Britons identify as feminists, a slight decrease from 43% in 2024. The drop was bigger among men (from 38% to 28%).

      (It was 50% in 2023).

      The arguments against this kind of campaign we see in threads like this are broadly landing, or people are reaching the same conclusions themselves without discussion somewhere. Yet we keep having those arguments, even though feminists keep losing them, because feminists don’t realize they are losing them. (Which says a lot when you consider the funding disparity).

      When Trump first took office, the number of feminists climbed for the first time since 2012 to reach that 50%. (I’m blaming Trump despite it being a UK figure). It quite slowly declined under Biden. Trump 2 we’re seeing it decline back where it was before, probably because the shock of his nonsense has worn off and now people are back to being tired of and sceptical of feminism.

      Remains to be seen if it’ll continue to drop.

    25. Consistent-Pirate-23 on

      The blokes that need challenging are no friends of mine.

      Last time I knew someone like this was decades ago, we tried to teach him the error of his ways but he didn’t change so we cut him loose.

    26. NegotiationWeird1751 on

      Sounds misogynistic, there’s no reason women can’t handle themselves.

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