I really don’t understand how anyone still falls for these scammers after chatgpt.
They are, without exception, people with a very poor grasp of English as a second language, and no grasp of any subject at university level. You will absolutely never get a passing grade with them.
But ok I understood lazy dumb students ~10 years ago doing it. But now? You’ll get a better essay just by typing your question into chatgpt (hell, most of these scammers probably just do this now anyway).
If you were going to cheat, why in the world would you pay these people to do it when you can get a better, instant, cheating service for free with chatGPT?
Uniform764 on
>Since April 2022, it has been illegal to provide essays for students in post-16 education in England. But so far there have been no prosecutions
This is a weirdly specific law. Why is it not blanket illegal? Or why is it not left as a problem for the universities/exam boards?
>It was both their lack of knowledge in English language
This would be a barrier to studying an essay subject in English yes
foodieshoes on
The system will simply have to move back to monitored in-person exams, no phones etc. Work done remotely can simply not be trusted any more with access to AI being so readily available.
MisguidedExtrovert on
Need to figure out a way to change the syllabus to work with ai. For better or worse, Ai isn’t going anywhere so we need to integrate it into a culture in a controlled way. For example, assign tasks for students where they use ai and figure out new learning limits
Cheap-Syllabub8983 on
This law arrived just in time for AI to make it completely irrelevant.
ChaiTeaAndBoundaries on
In Eastern European Universities the exams are oral, maybe it has to go that way in the UK. Many employers are saying the degrees are no longer worth their paper.
Safe-Avocado4864 on
Why have there been no prosecutions? Just get someone who looks late teens-early 20s to wonder around a campus and the perps will literally come up and advertise themselves, or just pick up one of the leaflets for it and phone the number. Hell, a £10 Amazon voucher reward will probably net you some students happy to report whoever’s offering this service.
sickofadhd on
i can vouch for this article as i was a new/inexperienced lecturer (not at Lincoln) before i was made redundant at the very end of summer. these students were palmed off on newbies like me because senior academics didn’t want anything to do with them.
i am not sure how far involved this lecturer was in the whole submission and marking process but some of these essays mills contacted me and other colleagues when students failed to pay for their essays, with proof of the student engaging with them (therefore criminal activity).
my university didn’t escalate any of this to the police.
the students would freak out and threaten to harm themselves. on a dissertation clearly not written by them, if students didn’t get the grade they were clearly promised by a mill, suddenly they were emboldened to complain about staff. what a mess.
not all students used mills either
ronniec95 on
At my uni we basically asked my students to write an essay in class over a day within a secure browser. They are allowed to take a break and learn as much as they wish using AI before the exam. The exam tests their ability to recall and express ideas; under time pressure.
I can follow up with a oral exam if I feel necessary too.
Works pretty well by encompassing AI rather than restricting it all the while ensuring the true learning objective is being tested
BikeProblemGuy on
The ways universities teach and test students have been obsolete for at least a decade. Sick of people blaming the students. They’re chucked into a nonsensical system where ticking boxes is rewarded over merit and told their whole lives depend on their results, it’s not surprising some do whatever’s necessary to pass.
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I really don’t understand how anyone still falls for these scammers after chatgpt.
They are, without exception, people with a very poor grasp of English as a second language, and no grasp of any subject at university level. You will absolutely never get a passing grade with them.
But ok I understood lazy dumb students ~10 years ago doing it. But now? You’ll get a better essay just by typing your question into chatgpt (hell, most of these scammers probably just do this now anyway).
If you were going to cheat, why in the world would you pay these people to do it when you can get a better, instant, cheating service for free with chatGPT?
>Since April 2022, it has been illegal to provide essays for students in post-16 education in England. But so far there have been no prosecutions
This is a weirdly specific law. Why is it not blanket illegal? Or why is it not left as a problem for the universities/exam boards?
>It was both their lack of knowledge in English language
This would be a barrier to studying an essay subject in English yes
The system will simply have to move back to monitored in-person exams, no phones etc. Work done remotely can simply not be trusted any more with access to AI being so readily available.
Need to figure out a way to change the syllabus to work with ai. For better or worse, Ai isn’t going anywhere so we need to integrate it into a culture in a controlled way. For example, assign tasks for students where they use ai and figure out new learning limits
This law arrived just in time for AI to make it completely irrelevant.
In Eastern European Universities the exams are oral, maybe it has to go that way in the UK. Many employers are saying the degrees are no longer worth their paper.
Why have there been no prosecutions? Just get someone who looks late teens-early 20s to wonder around a campus and the perps will literally come up and advertise themselves, or just pick up one of the leaflets for it and phone the number. Hell, a £10 Amazon voucher reward will probably net you some students happy to report whoever’s offering this service.
i can vouch for this article as i was a new/inexperienced lecturer (not at Lincoln) before i was made redundant at the very end of summer. these students were palmed off on newbies like me because senior academics didn’t want anything to do with them.
i am not sure how far involved this lecturer was in the whole submission and marking process but some of these essays mills contacted me and other colleagues when students failed to pay for their essays, with proof of the student engaging with them (therefore criminal activity).
my university didn’t escalate any of this to the police.
the students would freak out and threaten to harm themselves. on a dissertation clearly not written by them, if students didn’t get the grade they were clearly promised by a mill, suddenly they were emboldened to complain about staff. what a mess.
not all students used mills either
At my uni we basically asked my students to write an essay in class over a day within a secure browser. They are allowed to take a break and learn as much as they wish using AI before the exam. The exam tests their ability to recall and express ideas; under time pressure.
I can follow up with a oral exam if I feel necessary too.
Works pretty well by encompassing AI rather than restricting it all the while ensuring the true learning objective is being tested
The ways universities teach and test students have been obsolete for at least a decade. Sick of people blaming the students. They’re chucked into a nonsensical system where ticking boxes is rewarded over merit and told their whole lives depend on their results, it’s not surprising some do whatever’s necessary to pass.